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if Bryce is worse in 2024....how many games you think a new HC should stick with him? all 17? It's not a given we can be a joke and he still gets 2-3 years.

David Tepper doesn't know who he is going to be able to hire right now. David Tepper doesn't know what O we are going to be running next year. And David Tepper isn't the dude dictating and filling out the full man roster for the next coach or any coach he has had. and there is no consistent vision Tepper implements and has. His hires and fires have shown that. So we got no clue what he is looking to do next. Rhule was a 180 from Ron. And Frank was a 180 from Rhule. Next coach most likely isn't just going to keep the old QB room the same from a 2 win team..... He is going to be installing a brand new O. New culture. New wants. New direction. And he is going to need options for if Bryce Young gets worse, gets hurt, to help Bryce, install his O. New HC likely will want a QB on this roster that has run what he plans to run. Knows his system. Knows his offense. We don't know Dalton is going to check the boxes a new HC has for his QB room. and just personally, I wouldn't want the same people around Bryce Young on any level coming off this year. If our QB room is just Bryce Young and Andy Dalton again, that seems like a bad plan/vision.

We don't know that. Because don't know who our HC is. What our scheme will be. We don't know what our offense will be. Bryce Young 100% will need a good QB room. It's a given he inherits Young. It's not a given he will want the rest of the room to be the same. And a new HC likely will want insurance. And he has a brand new offense to install. Bryce Young can get worse. Sophomore years are often tough on QBs. Because the league has a full offseason to study your tape and all your issues. A worse Bryce Young is going to prevent a functioning O from getting jump started here.

next hire should have some legit youth and veteran options in the QB room. I think Bryce has to show growth by the midway point next season or the crowds/social media/media will demand a change. The narrative around the team still matters. Always does. It impacts things. Bryce Young easily could end up as a developmental project if things don't pick up for him with changes next year.

I mean, I think you try to salvage him and see what he looks like in a good scheme and with a better roster. but yeah, I don't think the next HC is going to take the job if they are tied to Young's success. They shouldn't be. That was Fitt/Frank. New head coach should just be tasked with building a good team. And Bryce might not have a role big picture in that.

No NFL team can trot out Bryce Young for 3 straight seasons if he looks the same as he did last year with changes. NFL moves too fast in this current age. No one gets that sort of time anymore. Too many jobs are at stake. I mean, find a QB that was that bad that played for 3 straight years.....it doesn't happen. They get yanked.

depends on the definition of onboard. Willing to try to salvage him? Sure, that is a requirement. But you want a coach that will move on if needed because it very well might be needed and quick. Bryce easily could need to go to the bench and develop. Work on his size, arm strength, and figuring out to to adapt to the NFL given his tools

I think generally, the standard is the inherited QB plays year 1....THEN they move on. So I think the odds favor Bryce starts off 2024 and the odds are high he doesn't start 2025. That's how QB overall plays out more times than not with a new regime.

There are like 5-7 of those in a given year. Most people don't define a #1 in an offense by that standard.

I don't think anyone is presenting an argument that Moore > DJ though. 89 and Julio were merely brought up as examples of TDs not carrying tremendous weight when evaluating a WR.....yet folks are fixated on that with DJ

he sure is. And as I noted, he isn't what you would call a big defensive lineman. He isn't even a big DE. Burns represents on the lighter side of what a QB has coming at him. Derrick Brown is also 6'5....and he is carrying an additional 70+ pounds to him.

I mean, in the post you quoted.....I gave his numbers excluding those 2 seasons. It doesn't change things. He still just averaged 5 a season wiping those from existence. And he is a HOF GOAT here. But DJ Moore somehow isn't 1 because of TDs.

yeah, but there was also no comparison being made of the two. 89 merely used as an example (Julio was another).....that TDs have never been used as the signature mark around here for what makes a 1 a 1. People are just doing it with DJ. post rookie season, DJ Moore has finished top 11 in yards in 4 out of his 5 seasons. That's a 1. And that not with him being abnormally targeted.

It will be interesting to see what happens….to date I feel Tepper tends to do polar opposites after each firing Ron to Rhule then Rhule to Frank Hurney to Fitt So per my calculations we should end up with Dabo Sweeney and Joe Person

89 averaged 5 TDs per year in the NFL. The point was merely TDs aren’t the end all be all for a WR. Moore and 89 played for teams that believed in running the football in when you got close. Just running period. and even if you cherry pick out 89’s rookie year and the year broke his leg….he still just averaged 5 TDs per year in the NFL. DJ Moore is without question a #1. He has finished top 11 in 4 out of his 6 years in yards. One of those he didn’t was his rookie year. If DJ Moore isn’t a #1 then in reality there are less than 10 in the NFL by that skewed framework

This is the one that always actually got me.. And Burns isn’t exactly what you would call big for a D lineman

Argument the other way would be…to this date Moore has still never played with a very good passer. and the Panthers play style who leaned to the ground game. I mean, 89 who is our GOAT….in reality didn’t score a lot on per season basis. He had 2 seasons scoring more than 7 TDs in a long 16 year career and one of those was just reaching 8.

Baker games vs Bryce games O was more productive in yards and points with Baker….because Moore and CMC existed.

It's also the NFL though, most top tier prospects have the arm talent to get mustard on throws without an ideal setup. Because often in the NFL, your QB is simply going to have to still make plays without getting set. I think Bryce can get better. I think he can be a decent starter potentially. But his ceiling will forever be low and overly dependent on his environment (vs the caliber of player you generally expect with what we invested).

in addition to the #2 overall, Washington has 2 2nd rounders (3 picks in the top 40) and 2 3rd rounders. That's a lot of young talent a new HC will be able to go get to fit whatever vision they have.

I mean, I was bitching Sunday about how Bryce doesn't even look at the wide open check down over and over and instead scrambles away and kills the play..... someone mentioned in the game chat but he probably can't see how open Hubbard or whoever is given the sight issue he likely faces in the pocket. Which has got to be a massive issue for the angle he can be a super elite PG distributor /small ball QB.

Weinke also brought us that caliber of play for a mere 4th round pick. Not at the cost of 2 first picks and DJ Moore.

I mean, you still got guys all over on that list putting the QB on the ground at a higher rate per pass rush play than Burns...and facing a greater % of double teams. and that's the only aspect of Burns' game to talk about. Which isn't true for the others. if Burns' game was more diverse, he might could claim he is worth top tier money.

Clausen couldn't make all the throws and loved the small pointless ball. Weinke was big. With an arm. I would wager you could add up all Clausen and Bryce's 20 yard downfield completions and Weinke might of had more than both added together as a rookie. And Weinke was trash.