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the Jaguars are basically the Panthers. Bad D. Inconsistent O. But I think they are a more threatening O.

Bryce Young has pretty much been the definition of a slower starter going into every season. I frankly don't like the fact the "easy" games are upfront. plus, the flip side is the Jags are talking about us just like we are them. And I think they have more proven explosive offensive players. I think at best, it's a coin flip opener. Jags probably will be favored by Vegas.

I’d say firing Rhule in season with the #1 overall in clear sight…..and then dumping CMC for peanuts was an in season tank move by the FO to secure the #1 overall pick…..and it failed (because the HC and players aren’t involved in that mindset)

Vastly different things at play here https://x.com/panthers/status/1927478311468331310?s=12 vs https://x.com/receiverschool/status/1925146532061323647?s=12 and its why Renfrow is going to make this roster. Renfrow is a master route runner (specifically concepts in the slot) and has to milk every aspect of the game within the game given his disadvantages. But even here on the outside, he could teach Horn, XL, TMac. Because running that route like Hunter did would be much more impactful for the youngsters given the over the top threat they pose.

Young had way too light of a preseason schedule given where he is as a QB last year. Canales needs to play Young a lot going into this year. Holding Bryce out has gone very poorly leading into both his seasons. Young got less work going in than legit proven studs did. He needs to have the workload of someone that has had maybe 3 good NFL games and the rest meh or horrible.

combo of scheme, playcalling and how you stress a defense IMO. Obviously, there is a talent aspect but I put the greater burden on Canales given how non-existent it was.

deep diving into the fact YAC is non-existent in this offense is just mind-blowing. They got to solve that if they hope to get this pass game out of the NFL gutter. and, I think that largely falls on Canales.

the answer.

I mean, we need to improve everywhere. Short, mid, deep. We get below average results/production from our short game. We get zero YAC from the O overall. Too many off target throws. It's like the entire O is just a bunch of TEs where the play ends at the completion. I think some of that is the chunk ball O of Canales paired w/ a QB that should be in a scheme that is YAC scheme emphasized.

"Starting in Week 5, Young was fourth in completion percentage over expectation (NFL Next Gen Stats) but 31st in off-target rate. That means he was connecting with his receivers on high-leverage throws deep downfield, which is explosive but also unsustainable. Confidence is high, though, and he has earned the right to build on his improvement." Basically, what Young was doing down the stretch last year may not be something he will be able to maintain for the long haul, much like a major-league hitter posting a high batting average courtesy of an inflated BABIP. Overall, Young threw for 2,403 yards, 15 touchdowns and nine interceptions while completing 60.9 percent of his passes and posting a passer rating of 82.2 in 2024, which was certainly a significant step up from where he was durign his rookie campaign. Insider exposes Panthers QB Bryce Young may have been too lucky last season It took one second of googling to find an article posted just yesterday....to find someone largely thinking the same thing. But I get it, it's that time of year. I just don't feel the need to do what you are doing here given I am devoting and saving up MY energy to drastically oversell Hunter Renfrow.

nothing dishonest in pointing out that Bryce Young had the highest off target rate of any passer in the NFL last year. PFF mentions it. Others have mentioned. I have pulled it from other sources. That's sort of a giant red flag of concern. Nothing dishonest about saying we were getting below average offensive production from the passing O as a whole on the season and post benching. All of that essentially gets dismissed as not actually mattering.....and what really matters is just PFF's view. And their definition of big time throws, how they view/score incompletions, etc in a small window, in one area of the field. Wanting the convo to just be about PFF IMO is the intellectually dishonest part. I mean, what is the actual great insult I am making about Bryce Young? I said cherry picking a small amount of deep throws. The way some here paint it, Bryce was lighting people up downfield at a high rate (volume) vs the league. Which he wasn't. Bryce improved. For that, I am happy. But folks just running crazy far with it. We are at the stage now where if you argue Bryce Young isn't close to a top 10 QB.....that somehow brings the pitchforks out. Which is crazy. If an argument can't be presented without PFF....then it's not much of an argument IMO.

big picture though, that largely sounds like a horrible idea to go about things. Not saying I think they did that. Think the illusion of that is largely just PRish of presenting a image of things working out well. But yeah, you don't want your WR influencing who you draft at TE. Players are going to be bringing crazy bias into the equation and a 23 year old struggling QB shouldn't be making your top 10 pick.

To an extent that’s a little bit what you see with the pass O. Our WRs sucked per PFF. League worst.. Bryce was super inaccurate and off target with his throws. League worst. We also didn’t generate a lot of production in general. BUT…..if you just cherry pick a small amount of deep throws late in the year…..it was awesome. I still think we are striving to get to average O and average D.

he is by far the least physically gifted....but yeah, the only reason a team is willing to give him the option is because his route running is top tier. It's the best on the team. Now, that only gets you so far. Where Renfrow gets into a problem is a defender doesn't have to fully respect it all like they would with a WR that was more gifted by the physical attribute gods. But that's also how Renfrow has caught folks his entire football career.

I'm just going to patiently wait for time to do it's thing....and the inevitable return of Ian.

AT is largely a product of good reliable hands and an abundance of targets than being a great route runner. I mean, there is basically a you tube series on the fact AT doesn't actually run great routes anymore. I stand 10 toes down (as the kids would say) on my prior statement. Renfrow has less God given physical gifts than anyone named.....but he is a better route runner than all of them. I mean, his route running is literally the only reason he is being given this chance.

I'll go ahead and say it because the average poster is too scared to say it. Hunter Renfrow is the best route runner on the team. He will catch more balls than a couple of those dudes added together. It's Short King season! Get on the wagon while there are still seats available!

the top of college football is losing sight of what actually made college football king IMO. If they want to break off and be the NFL's highly paid (for now) development league.....it will eventually be treated as such by the masses.

not sure how I missed this reality. ACC has a former NFL great coaching a squad this year.

only thing that really stands out....is one QB put the ball out in front of his WR and the other threw behind XL

sure, the 6th best passer the last 8 weeks of the season. The problem is when you start shrinking numbers.....averages can get really weird and can present false info/narratives. You can see that everywhere in life. for example, he only broke 60% in 3 of those 8 games. In only 3 of those 8 games did he surpass the average passing yards per game. remove the last 2 games of the season.....and where does he finish in the final 6 or on the season as a whole. People are most definitely overinflating Bryce's play. And it's largely because of the drastic change of what he was to what he became. Which was HUGE. But in comparison to the rest of the league, above average doesn't pass the eyeball test. For example, people largely are remembering him playing well vs Philly. He was BAD that game. XL just happened to drop a pass he shouldn't have and Philly played horrific all game. Or looking at the stat sheet and claiming he was great vs AZ. He wasn't. He was literally one of 11 that game just not messing it up.

Bryce isn't hoping to see over the line. He hops to get certain throws off. For when he can't see over the line.....he just can't see over it. Which is going to forever impact the short pass attack of the Panthers to some extent (which we will never be able to qualify really). Bigger QBs than Bryce talk about getting blind. You can see him on film blind to some check down/easy stuff.

I think in all honestly, the final 2 games are carrying most of the weight in a lot of Bryce talk IMO. During the window where he "blew it out of the water" window......were a lot of games where he was not above average. AZ is largely one of those stat sheet games. Where the stat sheet reflects QB play that didn't exist in the game. That game was all Chuba. Meh vs Dallas. Meh vs Philly. Meh vs Giants. Probably average vs Tampa, Den, Saints. Bryce made HUGE strides vs what he was. We should be happy. But when you start comparing him to the rest of the league.....people I think are going too far. His best aspect in reality.....is his scrambling. And that's probably not a great thing give his size.

flip side of that coin, I wouldn't say Bryce looked better than Nix either though

I have not seen a single post that is making an argument against such people do argue against incredible and talks down those paths