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He was a master of 'just 1 player away' BS.

So they are still in win now mode at 0-5. JFC what did Hurney teach Tepper in those 2 years together.

Im at the point where it's trade whoever away fine but I don't see any incoming trades as 'fixing' the current mess and it just feel ominous hearing any big potential trades at this time.

And Tepper is still pushing the original message as the leaks spring elsewhere. We may never know that when but it doesn't sound like it was 'always Bryce' all along.

That was one of the hints that BS was in the air. Glazer is still saying 'it was always Bryce' but that could just be coming from Tepper so while it's true it could also be misleading in this convo.

I'm way fuzzy on the details and just don't have time to look it up. They took Aikman and Smith his first 2 years? No wonder he thought he couldn't do any wrong.

Sorry I was tired typing. I am of the same mind. I just meant that I enjoy the fact it hasn't progressed to the next level because it looks like a giant headache in that stage on so many levels. Like why even argue if it's just a computer programed to do so forever? Both the written and visual stuff is really impressive even given their imperfections. I actually enjoy the spoof stuff from the failures. The stuff 5 years from now? That is way too powerful of a tool for me to trust what can be done with it when you look at what is being done with other powerful tech tools out there.

Sounds like we will know more but not everything yet. I think a forced hand is still on the table but not guaranteed. Maybe the employees caved or Scott was also in on it so Frank caved. No idea but I am sure interested in finding out.

Didn't he win those with the coach and lots of players he inherited with the purchase in 1989 and then kicked him out and then started the SB drought after those 3 wins?

I hope the Ben Johnson thing is true. That was one possible burned bridge that should have been left intact. The timing still looks suspect but ok. It can be true for ownership in any business. The biggest difference is that if Tepper keeps fugging up here he still makes profit hand over fist while most businesses would likely fold if this kind of product was being pumped out continuously. The NFL model insulates him and allows for decades of this kind of behavior with little real threat other than losing football games and fans, which just means their partners and competition are winning more games. Some people learn and others love a great power trip and being an NFL owner is up there in power tripping. I don't think acting professionally is easy but his professional background is also a mighty harsh one to deal with.

It's not completely out in the open yet but it sure sounds like people are talking now amongst themselves. It does seem to fit with Tepper's personality and some of his faults. I really don't know how this breaks but it's ramping up and I don't see how there isn't more spill over. My guess is Tepper pushes too hard and learns another lesson. I could completely see Tepper taking that same lesson from Rhule's time and stepping up his involvement.

It's starting to look like Tepper is much worse than even I feared. We are going to have to wait for more to drop but it sounds like it's all headed that way. Frank looked like a beat horse. Tepper getting better at PR but being a complete trainwreck everywhere else is funny in the 'that is what's important to you?' way funny.

I meant better qualified coaching now. I was never a big Frank fan but he is an NFL coach vs the Rhule whathaveyou. How are they worse off than that? I 100% agree. Even Rivera looked terrible their last year and that entire big move on D with big names was another giant failure. It is consistently bad and my be worse now which is really a terrible achievement.

The last part. How much is he micromanaging? IDK but it looks bad and eerily similar to the Rhule times even with better coaching. It's not just one guy but that was a giant move and the easist thing to zoom in on and evaluate. He sounds worse than feared.

The finger thing is fine with me. When the perfect it is what is going to be so much worse. The writen stuff is as imperfect but also crazy. I thought the crap the Panthers bot spews might be that given the quality of it.

I have my opinions but the PR narrative has been very clear but this has been a leaky ship while Tepper has been here. It's really early and nothing devastating has been officially released yet but people are talking off the record is what my take is here. Whatever the hell went down the product looks bad overall. That is going to put a lot of pressure everywhere as it mounts. Tepper will probably keep telling on himself so that's something to look forward to witnessing. His bot here speaks very loudly to me

Didn't Dan say that 'reports are emerging'? If so then it stops being theoretical or a conspiracy theroy and possibly reality.

I really dislike Tepper but is he also forcing the playcalling? Also sounds like Frank signed up for the same thing he was running from in Indy? That is freaking crazy to me. All of this reaks but I love that they are already getting away from the BS they were selling about what went down and getting to how this all went so sideways. This isn't going to drag out over years at this rate, not as the worst team and no #1 pick. Tepper will always be Tepper but he looks set up to take a beating publicly now and if at the end he let's people do their job then it is beyond worth all the BS.

The hardest part of his job for me would not be telling Tepper to shut up and sit down if he is going to hover near operations. I would absolutely be fired for saying no.

All of his trades. Even the Gilmore one was ill advised in that situation and then they let him walk. His trading away players and ending up with less talented players with the draft capital has been an issue. His free agents this year, Bell looks like the bright spot there. His contracts are usually awful. Moore's was solid but lol Player evaluations are way off across the board. CB depth, Oline depth and holy crap the switch to the new scheme with the same people is looking crazy bad. I'm sure there is more I just can't think of it after all of that list.

Where there is smoke there is usually fire. Also, this guys co-worker is the David Newton? I didn't think people still watched ESPN. Man I am out of the BS loop these days.

Maybe both. McD seems smart enough to not create ammo but I am way too checked out to say. Then again Frank with ammo isn't much of a threat.

Lol because they always say terrible things about opposing players before games. Let's see what is dial up for Bryce in game and that will tell you what he really thinks about him.

I don't trust their talent evaluation so just take draft capital and pray it's different people picking is the best option with Burns now. Adding an unreliable WR just sounds like another meh move. If they can't do something good then just don't do anything on that front.

Why not?