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Baker is one of the biggest poo talkers on the field. It’s probably why Jackson was talking to him.

27 looks like it might be the year to draft one anyway.

@mrcompletely11here is his chart from yesterday. It’s not the typically bad ones we see when he plays poorly. Granted Tampa’s pass defense is bad but he wasn’t the reason we lost yesterday IMO. There are plenty of games where he is and I’m fine with trying a different option. Using half a decade to see if a player can be your QB seems kind of crazy…

What did he get banned for?

Yeah him not being the guy is a logical stance to take in a debate. I have no problem with that. Blaming him for this loss immediately when he was the lesser of many other issues is all I was debating.

Yeah our passing offense put up 250 yards and 2 TDs with absolutely no help from the running game. To me they did their part. There were a couple 3rd down drops as well which could fall on the QB but again this isn’t really the game to throw him under the bus. Last week was one 1000%. Bryce did enough to beat Tampa just like last time today. If we want to be elite defenses like Seattle then yeah we need to reevaluate our QB, play calling, OL, and weapons.

Yeah if you can play 2 high and shut down our running game we are going to struggle. Saints did that both times. We don’t have the talent to adjust to that.

Yes Young and most QBs need more than 19 rushing yards. Last week he poo the bed, this week our running game poo the bed. We have a lot of work as a team as a whole to work on. Can you point me to an average QB who won by playing better than Young did today while his team ran for under 20 yards?

The Saints stacked the box? I thought they played 2 high and disrupted our passing game? Every time Rico plays bad it doesn’t mean teams stacked the box. Rico just feasted on some bad defenses earlier in the season. He is banged up, running out of steam like he did last year, and played some tougher run defenses. Rico is solid but you don’t want to force him into being your workhorse all year. It’s why we don’t need to throw money at him or any other RB this offseason.

When the running game gets clamped to the tune of 19 yards averaging 1.2 a carry it’s a different story. Those teams aren’t winning unless there is some elite defense or passing offense bailing out the running game. That’s all I’m saying about this particular game. Our passing offense was actually above our average which I know is bad. The running game needs a pulse for us to win against an average to below average team.

He knows his stuff. I think he picks some of these arguments out of boredom or just to debate. I can understand him wanting to move on from Bryce. I’m for it if that’s what we decide. He just wasn’t on the top of my list of issues this week. Last week is a different story.

They just allowed 145 rushing yards to the Dolphins last week. If you are averaging 1.2 rushing yards per attempt you aren’t winning that game unless you have a top passing offense. Running game is our strength on offense right? Their time of possession was over 15 minutes more because they could run the ball and we couldn’t. There has to be an ounce of balance for most offenses to work. I know you know this. We beat them by 3 at home two weeks ago because we were able to have some balance. That balance didn’t exist today because of the running game.

It’s just a shtick now for some. I’m not really a Bryce fan and honestly his best chance of success is probably a change of scenery at this point but I’m also looking at this team as a whole and seeing plenty of issues. Today QB played well enough. Running game didn’t exist, we missed a FG (granted it was in the 50s), officiating was terrible, and play calling was pretty bad. I kind of want DC to hire an OC to handle play calling.

19 rushing yards. If it was flipped like against Seattle then yeah QB is front and center. When our 2 1000 yard RBs are averaging in the 1s for yards per carry behind our run blocking heavy expensive OL then I’m looking at the running game. Honestly officiating was some of the worst I’ve seen and I hate blaming that as well.

There has to be some sort of balance. 19 rushing yards is going to be an uphill battle for any offense much less one centered around a rookie WR. I’m not saying Bryce had a great game but he wasn’t the main cause for concern this game.

It’s becoming some sort of sickness. Bryce wasn’t spectacular but he was far from the biggest problem today.

That’s fair. He needs some guys to succeed at the next level to help with recruiting no doubt. It doesn’t seem to slow down OSU or Bama though.

He is a college QB tutor. As you stated he has produced much in the NFL.

I think damn near every coach has a bad record for producing QBs because so few QBs are successful. Drake Maye looks legit, how was UNC before with Mack Brown? Howell hasn’t done anything, I don’t know if he was responsible for Mitch or if he came afterwards but that was a bust. Air Raid Texas Tech produced Mahomes and not much else. Allen was out in Wyoming, Burrow is the only LSU one and he was coach O, Lamar was Louisville with no one else. Riley might be the only coach with a defect track record with Hurts, Murray, Baker, and now Caleb. It’s why you draft the player not the school/coach.

Is this a thing? I know he runs a college offense but how many have even been drafted high enough to bust? The only high pick QB I can think of from him is Dart who looks decent but it’s way too early?

Mahomes, Rodgers, Purdy, Baker, Caleb Williams etc are all under 6'3". I'm not sure it's even outliers at this point.

I agree. I think our two outside guys look better this year because teams just pick on the middle of the field as well. It's like when our pass defense looked ok last year because teams just ran on us.

You guys have had some bad injury luck. Kraft (who was arguably the top TE), Parsons, now Love…

Wait until they actually develop some chemistry. Could be a fun team to watch if they stay healthy.

If we are trading for an edge, I’d prefer Thibs, younger and cheaper to acquire. His sacks are down but his win rate is up. He is basically pressuring the QB into sacks for Burns. We would get the 5th year and then have to pay him. Thibs, Scourton, and DB on the line would be solid. You would have Princely, Pat Jones, and Gipson rotating in on the edges for some depth/fresh legs. Throw in a nice young ILB like Syles or Allen or a FA and our defense would be so much better.