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Not saying it happened, but we would never know if it did. Why were they wanting to trade for a QB instead of drafting one? Would that have changed if we had a top 3 pick? There is no way to tell…

Ok it’s going to be damn near impossible to tell what’s smokescreens and what isn’t. We aren’t even saying this happened to Carolina. Simply addressing a need before the draft can change your board ranking on prospects. It’s hard to argue against trading for Darnold made us much less desperate to draft a QB. As LG stated QB triumphs all (as to why the best prospect went 4 behind 3 QBs). Had we went into the draft with Teddy we very well could have drafted Fields/Jones or a signal caller. The original question why would you pass on a guy at 8 you would have wanted at 3 has a possible answer of the need being address during the offseason (in a trade) in fear of that player not making it to 8. Watson was used as an extreme case to show it’s obviously possible.

I know many Ohio St fans and none of them are disappointed with Fields. He lost to Alabama with a banged up roster and Clemson the year before while outplaying Lawrence. I really don’t know what more he could have done. Win the heisman? I don’t believe Lawrence has even done that… I understand some people think he won’t translate to the NFL, but he had a solid college career.

Bingo. Darnold was a guarantee and relatively cheap from a draft capital point of view. If he was evaluated anywhere close to a Fields or Jones I would think acquiring him for certain while keeping your 1st round picks was the right call. If they waited the guy they want may not have been there at 8…

Unless Darnold turns out to be solid.

Hopefully Darnold plays well and it won’t matter. However if you can’t evaluate QBs you won’t have a very long career as a head coach…

Agree completely. AU was just showing an example of a team passing on a player they previously had ranked higher than he fell. He brought up needs being met in the offseason. I was just backing him up because it was getting dismissed but made sense to me.

If Darnold busts they clearly overvalued him. Overvaluing a player at a position as important as the QB will lead to a lot of “dumb” decisions at least in appearance to us fans…

You are talking about drafting another RB to install our double trouble run heavy offense. Both players got plenty of touches. It doesn’t really work that way with QBs and some other positions. You can double down on WRs too in the right offense. Most teams don’t ignore glaring needs to have these luxury picks. I kept hearing that TE Pitts was the best player in the draft, yet he went 4 because the top 3 teams had more pressing needs. So if the Jags acquired Watson in the offseason with no legal issues they still take Lawrence? We obviously value Darnold very highly and feel he addresses our need at the position. If we didn’t acquire him we could have drafted a QB. Had we had the 3rd overall pick maybe we would have waited on the draft and not traded for him. So you don’t think off-season additions (especially via trade) don’t change a team’s draft board? That seems ridiculous…

Yeah Stewart was definitely young and in his prime when we got CMC…… talk about a stupid point. Beason lasted how long after Luke? Take Fields out of the picture for some reason that’s a weird issue for you. If a need is addressed in the offseason by a trade because of doubt that position would be there at your pick it absolutely changes your plans for the draft. If we traded for Orlando Brown because of doubt Sewell would be there at 8 and he fell to 8, I doubt we would have drafted him and had a young Brown, Moton, and Sewell with a ton of other needs. Had we had the 3rd pick maybe we don’t trade for Brown. You made a statement about why wouldn’t you draft someone at 8 you thought about at 3 and AU answered it. Draft positioning effects how you address needs in the offseason which in return changes your needs in the draft. Needs effect how teams draft. No one is even saying this is how it happened for us. It’s just an example of how quickly player ranking in drafts can change before and after free agency and how free agency is done in relation to draft picks. It’s all connected.

It’s really not flawed you just aren’t grasping the full concept. The Bucs would have probably drafted a QB before they signed Brady, the Colts before they signed Wentz. It’s why every analyst didn’t think the Bengals were a threat to draft a QB. They may have liked Mac or Fields, but did not have a need for a QB since they have Burrow. Do you think there was no RB we liked until we drafted Hubbard later in the draft, or maybe we didn’t want to spend an early pick on one since we have CMC there already? He wasn’t even saying their hearts were set on Fields. AU simply stated if we were picking 3, we may not have traded for Darnold knowing a top 3 QB would definitely be there. All he was saying is us picking at 8 vs 3 probably changed out approach to acquiring a QB. Stop being so defensive over every Fields comment. His had logic behind it.

Hey what kind of a thread do you think this is?!

You are missing a huge part of his equation in Sam Darnold. Not thinking a QB like Fields would be there at 8 could have been part of the equation that got us Darnold making the need for a young QB no longer a need. If we had the pick at 3 we would have known Fields would be there (assuming the Jets were as public about Wilson as they were) so we wouldn’t have traded for Darnold. It’s not that hard to grasp what he is saying.

I think we are on the same page. Acquiring Darnold made our staff much more satisfied with our QB position and they obviously feel he is very talented (which is is) and able to become our franchise QB (not sure on this one). Gambling on a rookie QB (yes it’s always a bit of a gamble) with a first round pick which you have someone you feel is the guy and is still very young seems like an unnecessary risk to take when we have so many other needs. Not saying I agree with these opinions, but the thought process makes sense. They could even rank 1. Lawrence 2. Fields and 3. Darnold, but number 3 cost way less resources to acquire than number 2. There are a number of ways it could happen, but yeah if we still had Teddy as our QB we would have rejoiced at Fields dropping to us (or maybe Mac Jones). There is little doubt in my mind we would have drafted one without acquiring Darnold. It all goes back to Darnold plus Horn is valued higher than Fields plus the future 2nd and 4th AND we weren’t sure Fields would even be there at 8. So a GUARANTEED young QB in Darnold plus the number 8 pick is valued higher than POSSIBLY getting Fields and the future 2nd and 4th.

Saints…

The first rule of the Huddle is we don’t talk about the rules of the Hiddle.

I’m not the biggest Sam fan, but yeah he was screwed. So it sounds like he progressed from year one to two and got screwed and injured in year 3. That kind of makes me feel more optimistic about next year…

Darnold got hurt last year. He had a shoulder injury and missed several games because of it.

And progressively got worse each year under Gase?

So better than his rookie year and year 3 of Gase with an injured throwing shoulder?

Didn’t Darnold get mono in his second year and injure his throwing shoulder last year (year 3)?

#Chinning

He is the Chuck the Huddles deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So we will poo him. Because he can take it.

So ummm is Christensen going to be a G or T for us in the future?? Personally I think GB shouldn’t have drafted Love and we should have drafted Fields. PS how about that vaccine?