ForJimmy

They have Hamilton and Starks as their starters so probably just need some depth if anything. If we sign anyone it will be Blackmon or Williams since they have brought them in for visits already. Probably depends on how the group looks in TC.

There should be a lottery to see which team gets to use Mahomes for the year. Just to see how much of a difference a great QB can make.

@TheSpecialJuan

Played injured most of his rookie year as well. I hope he and TMac can hold down our WR spots for a long time.

TMac has about 3 inches on XL. XL is only 6’1” despite being listed as 6’3” a lot. Combine has XL at 6’1” 221 pounds. TMac came in at over 6’4” and 219 pounds. I know XL is built thicker but we are talking about WRs. JJ isn’t super jacked, Randy Moss was pretty thin. If everything clicks with TMac his ceiling is impossible to cover with his size. TMac is also a little over 2 years younger. I don’t think it’s a plain and simple edge to XL in ceiling.

One is looking at his overall grade and one is looking at separation. https://www.pff.com/news/draft-2025-nfl-draft-highest-graded-fbs-receivers-coverage-scheme#:~:text=5.,missed tackles against man coverage. Has him at 89.1 again. McMillan led the draft class with 34 catches for 508 yards against single coverage in 2024, and Missouri‘s Luther Burden III was the only other FBS receiver in this draft cycle to force double-digit missed tackles against man coverage. McMillan gained 211 yards after the catch (second most), caught three touchdown passes and gained 24 first downs. He secured nine contested targets and recorded 12 explosive gains.

Open rate? His actual PFF grade against man was 89.1 according to the article I showed you. So either teams aren’t pressing him very often (makes sense due to the talent gap between him and most defenders) or he is just schooling them while being “covered” or not open against man defense. I saw Hunter pressing him in their 2023 matchup and it was literally just Hunter holding him to keep up and he got called on it several times.

Just get rid of the stupid lottery. Every fan knows it’s nonsense at this point. We also need to trade away Ball at this point and draft a PG to develop with Miller, Williams, and whatever we get for Ball.

Against man? He put up two statistically great seasons and you are telling me all teams had to do was play man against him? McMillan’s statistical profile has very few gaps when it comes to on-field production. PFF gave him an 85.8 total receiving grade and an 89.1 grade versus man coverage. In particular, McMillan’s success rate versus man coverage should be a big boon for the offense that had a hard time finding options when the opposing defense lined up to play press man. https://sports.yahoo.com/article/tetairoa-mcmillan-team-fit-projections-020248060.html

Come on guys… TMac has the higher floor and ceiling. It’s why one was a top 10 pick and the other barely made it in the first round. XL is still huge and explosive and probably plays better at the Z.

I saw the vision in him being RB1 in that class by a good margin. I know people wanted Frazier but we STILL haven't drafted a center so that must have not been high on our list... Obviously Brooks getting injured again right away shows it was a bad pick. It was a risk we probably shouldn't have took considering all of the needs we had at the time. Hindsight is 20/20, but give credit where credit is due, many people on here hated the pick for this very reason. IMO when his return kept getting pushed back and we clearly weren't making the playoffs we should have just put him on IR.

lol ok this is incredible. Like I said not writing him off but glad he isn’t our concern regardless.

I’m not writing off Graham this early. Seems way too premature…

Makes sense. I guess you can replace Walker with a bigger edge like Williams and still the same applies. I'd put Scourton right there with any of them not named Carter.

I just think they thought the drop off from TMac to a round 2 WR was greater than Walker to a round 2 edge like we got in Scourton. Remember teams like LAR and SF were trying to trade up for TMac with a similar thought process.

Walker has the mind and motor to be great, but yeah his size makes him a gamble which I’m good with not taking at pick 8.

Don't forget Rico is our RB2 for the year. He is our rental until Brooks can play (IF Brooks can play again).

100%. It's why the debates will never end and can go in circles over and over again. Good for offseason fillers. I feel like even baseball can be a little blurry as every player isn't facing the exact same pitcher throwing the exact same pitches in the exact same circumstances. It's hard to fully compare most players in most sports without some sort of margin of error. I get what you are saying though in football being the hardest because it's the ultimate "team" sport. One personal screws up and the entire play can blow up. I do like what PFF is trying to do though. It also gets real blurry trying to analyze what a player did wrong or right without knowing the specific play called and exactly what SHOULD have happened in that play. Did the QB miss his window? Did the WR run the correct route the correct yardage out? Did the OL hold their blocks?

I get what you are saying but they refer to themselves as a sports analytics company. It's a pretty broad term anymore but their metrics are definitely being used in today's NFL staffs. Hell one of our main analytic guys is from PFF (Eric Eager). I think his title is VP of Football Analytics. I guess I could have said their specific analytics are trending right now to make more sense.

Hopefully some secondary help comes from the cap space we freed up.

I think they have already decided to keep him out this year. After last year they are going to take their time, which I agree with you on it being the right call. Try to save anything we can from this pick...

Yes everyone has acknowledged he was very bad lol. If you want to take the “kidding” part of my post and run with it, that just shows where you are at right now. I even labeled it as “kidding” so you wouldn’t take it literally…

The teams this 2nd year player (can’t really blame the years before he was drafted on him) was playing were going 100% as most do most weeks in the NFL. The whole argument is about his play during that period and how well was he actually playing. I’m with you on the winning though. Just start winning and fans will get excited. Start getting in the playoffs and winning and we won’t care how his PFF or box score stats look. 200 yards a game to 400 yards a game, start scoring and winning playoffs games and 99% of fans will buy in.

Can't really get behind this. The NFL is too competitive of a league with jobs constantly on the line. A lot of the teams we played that 2nd half were play off teams and playing for seeding as well. I can meet you in the middle and say he needs to show consistency over the entire season to be a legit franchise QB. Same offense, same OL, and most of the same weapons should be in his favor this year. Also next year's QB class looks strong, so the pressure should be on.

Sure it was a cherry pick. Some people call it a trend since it was happening during the 2nd half and he is a relatively young QB in a new offense. You could say he is "trending" towards top 10 play in these particular categories (ones that were once, and still by some, considered weaknesses). I like that it was a majority of the season and there is a clear indicator of before and after his benching. His saving grace in the Philly game was both offenses played like crap and he nearly had that GWD against the champs. Honestly his worst game post benching was the Cowboys game. I can't believe no one is talking about that. Coker bailed him on a busted coverage for like 83 yards and a TD (again where the box score doesn't tell the whole story), but outside of that it was awful. I think we were a new offense that just struggled on the road more than not, even towards the end minus the Falcons game. That's why that last road win was so important IMO.