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Here's a mock for today: QB- LT- C- DT (3-tech)- LB (Mike)- CB- Hit on need and value. I'd call that a successful draft.

Ooops, there goes his stock. After sh!ting the bed in Florida's Bowl game, he needed this to get some redemption. He is sorely mistaken that his Pro day aka 'dog and pony show' will somehow make up for that game and missing out on the Senior Bowl. If there was any doubt at all about who QB5 is, Mac Jones just sealed it without taking a single snap or producing a bead of sweat.

Really good 2nd round prospects at OT. I'd prefer to get the QB in the 1st and come back in the 2nd round and get the OT. Eichenberg and Randunz should be there, possibly Cosmi (not likely) falls to us at #39. That depends on how some teams view Slater and Leatherwood. Some BBs have them moving inside to guard. But, if they are taken as OTs, then Cosmi could slip. Walker Little will be there as well, but has a looooooong history of injuries. Sad part is he has the potential. Plus we've already had one Little on this team at OT that can't stay healthy.

I do.

...in the midst of a rebuild. It takes more than one year. Most realistic folks here (including myself) have targeted 2022 as the season this team takes a significant step forward.

You should have hit reset the moment you traded down and Wilson was still there at #12. Wilson will not make it out of the top 6, let alone another six picks later. If SF moves up, it's for a QB, BTW. The Jimmy Garoppolo experiment has run it's course.

Eh, we were out of the TL sweepstakes after the second win. Jax will not move out that spot unless someone offers king' ransom. I don't see that much separation in the next three QBs. Yes, beating the 'no-names' might cost us some draft capital to get our guy, but not all that much. It's not even close to the compensation the Texans are reportedly demanding for Watson that people are seemly okay parting with.

I rank them as such: Wilson, Lance and Fields. That being said, not much separates them, IMO. Lance has the highest ceiling, but is obviously the rawest. Wilson is the most ready today, but I don't see him making huge strides once in the League. Fields? I know people say this about Lance, but I think Fields is the biggest 'boom or bust' prospect of the three. You just can't have the inconsistency he has from game-to-game and be a can't miss prospect. Lance has all the tools...ALL of them. He just needs to be coached on how to best utilize them. I'm willing to wait a half season or even a year for that to happen.

Yes, but don't rule out a FA for them. A new regime is under pressure to win ASAP. So do you take an unproven rookie QB or make a trade with a mid-tier guy? I get it, the Panthers struck out, but don't expect us to be the primary case study on FA QB futility. Remember, Stafford gave up on the Lions, not the other way around. Also, there is a remote possibility that Lions and a new team for Stafford can't come to terms. Does Stafford sit out? Highly unlikely. His request is just that, a request, unlike Wentz and Waton would seemingly have toxic relationships with their organizations.

I don't think Detroit moves up if either the Jets and/or Falcons take a non-QB. They only get nervous and move up if QB4 is the last one remaining after the Falcons' pick.

FYI, Zod started a sub-forum just for draft talk.

Shouldn't need to trade higher than the Bengals at #5. It's likely our second rounder and the Bengals back fill the value to us. I doubt they listen starting off the negotiation with a 3rd.

This is the Combine for this year guys. I no longer have the NFL Network, so please pass along news, insights and pertinent information from their coverage this week. The actual game is Saturday afternoon (of course I'm working). I'll be looking over the net for insider articles and tweets. Any and all player scoops are welcomed! Again, with the underwear Olympics in Indy cancelled, this will be the best opportunity for scouts, coaches and yes, draft buffs to get a grasp on players abilities. Pro days are still scheduled, but those are a tailored to improve a players stock being in their ideal settings. The only other All-star game is the Hula Bowl, but mostly day 3 and UDFA prospects in that game. Unfortunately the Shiner Bowl was cancelled too. Remember, information is knowledge, so don't be hesitant to pass it along...especially this pre-draft season.

Actually, it is the Draft Networks 'Draft Machine' that I like the least. I misread the post and only caught the machine part. I agree, PFFs isn't all that bad. Still prefer Fan Speak's, BUT only paired with certain big boards. Fan Speak's Steve and Draft Teks BBs are historically the most accurate from my perspective.

Who says roller skates don't work on grass?

Oh, Teddy threw the ball into endzone alright, but to the other team.

I said he was not the heir apparent to Olsen and was told I was giving up on Ian too quickly. Some players 'get it' and other don't. Ian is, at best, a #2 guy and will never be the THE guy here in Carolina. I pounded the drum for a TE 3 of the last 4 drafts either in the second or third rounds. Now, we are in a SUPER weak TE class and the difference between a day 3 and UDFA prospect is almost nil. Any upgrade at the TE position this year will have to be in FA. Only band aids available there for the right price.

If we do, only 3 spots with the Bengals at #5. Zero, I mean 0% chance all 4 QBs are gone in the first 4 picks. The Bengals would love nothing more than to move back a few spots and generate more draft capital to continue building their young team. Trade value is a 2nd round pick. Would it be worth it to lose a 2nd rounder to almost ensure (99%) getting one of the big 4? The only way the Lions move up is if 3 of the 4 are gone after Atlanta's pick. If only two are gone, I think Detroit stands firm and we jump over them making a trade with Cincy.

Who are the teams 100% taking a QB? The Jags and Lions. Despite all the whispers about Ryan, I doubt the Falcons take a QB this year. They are too close, unfortunately, to being right back in the thick of things with better coaching, a few key cogs and honestly, some better luck. Resetting with a rookie QB makes little sense just as sitting a #4 pick overall behind Ryan (see the drama bit above) does. Only if Ryan gets dealt (unlikely amid all the other QBs looking for new homes) would this make practical sense. Does Philly deal Wentz? Now, VERY doubtful. Before Watson and Stafford made their demands, I would have said about 50/50. Two bigger names with proven track records just blocked his ticket out of Philly. Plus, it has been reported that a major reason (obviously not the only one) the Eagles parted ways with Pederson was his lack of commitment to Wentz. Their front office chose the player over the coach. That should say something right there. I think the Jets have a better chance at taking a QB than the Eagles or the Falcons. Right now I say that prospect is about 50/50 with the Jets.

Highly unlikely. Next year's QB class is weaker and the Panthers should win some of those close games we lost this year in year 2 under Rhule. Fewer quality prospects and a lower draft position. Drafting a QB next spring makes little sense unless, for some crazy reason, this team majorly regresses next year.

Yep, and why I REFUSE to use that simulator. I've been torn whether or not to subscribe to PFF for the scouting reports on the draft eligible players, especially since the Combine has been cancelled this year. However, if their scouting is as shoddy as their big board and simulator is, then it isn't worth the money.

Not say the win now approach will not work going after a veteran QB, it just doesn't set up for long term success. If going that route, we would have to get a lock down CB in FA to go on the other side of the ball. Our porous secondary is about a putrid as the QB play, so one need would necessitate the other going for the quick fix.

I can't see Atlanta taking Lance over the local guy. Even though I like Lance over Fields personally, many don't feel the same way and think of how pissed the Falcons fans would be taking a small-school FCS guy from Minnesota over the kid literally from their back yard. Fields would have to look HORRIBLE at his Pro day for that to happen or Lance look flawless in his.

In short, no...it would absolutely be a first in NFL history.

Reports are Watson wasn't satisfied with his morning poop in Houston today. I wasn't sure which of the 12+ threads I should put this in, but I guess this will do.