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No debate there - but the shiniest scooter still makes you a loser if you ride it...

Grow up - objectivity doesn't make someone not a fan. Only children care about whether someone "despises" a player....I could care less about Cam as a person, don't know him at all. On the field he was frustrating to watch and led us to mediocrity for nearly a decade.

I would completely disagree that Michael Vick and Lamar Jackson don't qualify as the same level of running threat as Cam. But even if they were not there it still doesn't qualify for the HOF. Who else exactly is running this read option offense with high success in the NFL that Cam supposedly kicked off? From what I see they have tried to normalize it without much success - the best example again is Lamar but you said he isn't like Cam (even though he is clearly better).

Unicorn does not qualify anyone for a HOF - that is a career-based honor for the best players of their generations. A guy with only 3 Pro Bowls in 10 years, a losing post season record, no Super Bowl wins, 1 MVP & AP. I would also argue he isn't a unicorn - Michael Vick, RG3, Lamar Jackson? Rare but not the only one...and it is clear that Lamar is >> Cam - and if he ended his career today he isn't a lock for the HOF....much more likely but not a lock

Those 3 resignings were last year - they are not signed for 2024 yet

Here's a grenade for the thread - Cam and TD aren't HOF'ers - Cam might get in, but he shouldn't - so many QB's haven't gotten in that should be over him (Boomer, Phil Simms, Cunningham, McNair). But as much as I love TD he really doesn't have the resume to get in.

While I agree with you mostly Smith did have multiple assaults of teammates at practice over the years. And he had numerous altercations on the field with CB's - I think that is most of these guys' point. He may not get in as early as others because of it.

TE's are very few early this year....Bowers is out of our reach, but Ja'tavion Sanders I would take in the 3rd if he is there...maybe Stover in the 4th. Bell looks good on paper but I don't like having a 6'1" TE - basically an H-back. Outside of that TE is off my radar - honestly I like the Tremble/Sullivan combo enough over reaching in the draft.

Luvu is literally one of the few people already on this team who qualify as a "Dog" as Morgan stated...he needs to be resigned and he shouldn't be that expensive.

I think any head coach deserves at least 2-3 years before you can expect real change - especially when they take over the worst situation possible. Frank was likely not the answer, but half a season didn't give us the chance to find out. Doesn't matter what coach we bring in the 2024 and probably 25 seasons are gonna be rough....we just need to appreciate progress IMO

Ain't nobody white knighting anything - some of us just get tired of trolls always ruining an interesting topic with your crying and complaining. Trust me it isn't serious....just wish yall would participate in conversations like fans instead of being so childish

Except you have no idea how much time he is spending doing what you want him to do - and there is almost nothing he can do right now that you are able to see progress on so you have no way of knowing - yet you are digging the guy for fun cause that's what you do on the internet. OR - hear me out - we can take a more positive view and be proud that our new HC is on Twitter that late at night defending our team - something no one else has ever done - and stop crying about every single thing that happens in regard to this team and twisting it negative. Just as a crazy side option

I know right? 10:55pm and he is on X instead of working? What a loser....

This is exactly why I am in favor of Higgins or Pittman but not Evans....the first 2 could be long term, build around players while Evans is a few seasons from retirement or significant decline.

When you have the Panthers main salary cap page open, on the right side is a blue button that says "manage roster" and has a panthers icon on it. Click that and you can see different options and what happens to the cap. I did this last year prior to our moves and it is fairly close the reality when the moves happened.

Dangit - there are 4 steps....we might not make it...

It honestly isn't knowledge I had - there is a tool on Spotrac that gives estimates.

But hey all this aside - the formula is easy: Step 1 - hire a young, relatively inexpensive coach who grows into the next Belichik very quickly - DONE Step 2 - Sign 6-7 free agents under 25 years old who everyone else undervalues so they don't cost very much Step 3 - Hit an absolute homerun on every pick in the 2024 draft - something we we rarely get right even once in a single drat See guys.....nothing to worry about....only 3 steps and we are there.

Spotrac says we are at $32M - the number I heard was closer to $28.5M - and we are ranked 11th in the league, so we aren't that bad off in those terms. Also according to Spotrac we can clear an additional $20M if we restructure the 7 available putting us around $50M. Cutting Thomas is $2.2M, cutting Donte is almost $6M. If we do just the restructures we would still have around $29M - but keep in mind we also have the resign or replace Luvu, Franklin, Henderson, Gross-Matos, Haynes, Grugier-Hill, Chinn, Shenault, ISM - AND rookies which won't be too bad since we have no 1st rd pick. But yeah this is gonna take a few years boys.

I believe we would most likely trade down a few spots to a team that wanted Caleb Williams. Ideally trade 1 spot at a time to maximize our draft stock...trade to 2...then 3. Stop at 3 to ensure we got Harrison and enjoy the extra 4-5 picks we gained. If Tepper was involved we would likely trade down to 12th for a third round pick and Jerry Jeudy....but let's not give us all nightmares....

Yeah I would say DJ was our only other true #1 since Smitty - and you can BOLD, underline, and italicize that "trash QB play" part.

Can someone help me understand - what exactly do many of you mean when you say Tee Higgins hasn't shown you he can be a #1 receiver yet? His rookie year he was 28th in the league in yardage...next 2 years he was 17th and 20th even while missing 3 total games and being the 2nd option on his team. If that isn't the production of a #1 caliber guy what is? He was literally more productive than half the teams' #1 guy the last 2 seasons before he was injured in 2023.

That is completely reasonable for a full rebuild - it happens all the time and is the standard for this scenario. We are much further away from the Playoffs than a few linemen and pass catchers. We are installing yet another completely new offense and possibly defense. At the moment we are thin at TE, OLine, WR, DLine, CB, EDGE, and possibly RB. There is not enough high caliber talent available nor do we have the draft capitol or cap to afford fixing it all. We have to hit at least 3 starters in this draft and we don't even have a 1st rounder. I literally watched 2 analysts today who said we are 2025 before we really know about Bryce. You can't just fix the offense and ignore the defense, so what you said won't be likely possible. I never said we won't know anything - I said he won't be top 10 because we cannot afford to fix enough around him in 1 season given our situation. He will be markedly better - but he won't be a top 10 most likely

He will be better this year, but won't be a top 10 guy most likely - we can't make enough moves in 1 season with our capitol give a fair test right away. 2025 will be the true test...similar to how Chicago has given Fields 3 years to prove he is worth anything - which he hasn't.