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I think it was also very easy to watch Young play in College and see how his movement and escapability wouldn't translate to the NFL. Which it hasn't.

Sounds very much like something a 20-something Steve Smith would say when faced with criticism...

Dalton has been on 5 NFL teams in the last 5 years - the NFL thinks he's washed. Why should he be better than Young right now? Young was the #1 overall pick that we traded FIVE premium players to select him there. Hell the coaching staff didn't even have an open QB competition in Training Camp because they thought Young would be much better than Dalton.

Screens, swing passes and anything up to 15 yards down the field between the hashes. Y'know, high school QB level throws.

If you say so. I'm still waiting for him to hit a 15 yard out.

This year's team is last year's team + the #1 overall pick + a ton of money spent on FA additions (specifically 2 WRs, a RB and a TE). We didn't lose anyone of note. So this year's team should be better than last year's team, stud.

A routine short throw over the middle?

Scott, call up Miami - they might give you something for Bryce Young.

Cos Fitterer is a moron and will offer far more than he's worth.

Bingo - I'm at the point of hoping for it. It's the shock to the system Tepper needs to completely burn it all down and hand his $2bn baby over to someone that knows what they're doing.

Yeah I think Fitterer is gone. Reich might be gone if we continue to lose. The worry is that Tepper will slant the next GM / HC search towards someone who claims they're able to work with / build around Young.

We won 7 games last year - we might not win 1 this year. It's really not that hard.

If Young had looked like this at all so far I'd be less worried:

I just want to see him make an NFL throw, is that too much to ask?

No, we're not complaining if Young turns into a first ballot HOF QB. The problem is, right now, he looks like a one(season)-and-done QB who's only starting because he was taken #1 overall.

That's the beauty of being a billionaire - you can make the rules up as you go. Sack Fitterer, hand the reigns to a competent GM, bask in the reflected glory of a winning franchise and pretend that it was all that chin-less wonder's fault.

He gets 2 years if Fitterer / Reich get 2 years. He gets no time with the new GM - he's immediately on the clock and won't let himself be hamstrung by Young.

Show your working out.

There's a picture of them stood next to each other - Brees has a clear 2 inches on him. So not only is he bigger, but he's more athletic - and he had a RIDICULOUSLY accurate arm. All throughout the Draft process I was telling people that Young's only path to success was to be Brees-lite - the problem is he's shown already that half of the throws an NFL QB needs to make are off the table for him. For everyone saying he's got 2-3 years to prove it - if we get a new GM (and I hope to god a new HC) I think he's literally fighting for his NFL life now. He doesn't look like he even belongs out there 90% of the time.

Bingo - he was a cocky little poo coming into the Draft (some would say confident). He's been massively humbled in the last five months - it's clear that he's absolutely overawed by the speed and athleticism of NFL athletes 'cos he's hesitant to pull the trigger on anything that approaches an NFL throw. I think it's only going one way - I hope he banked his signing bonus.

I've no sympathy - he could have walked away after the Draft if he didn't want Young. It was a franchise crippling trade if we picked the wrong guy - he had to know that.

Honestly, there are no 'core' players on this roster. There are some good ones: Brown, Burns*, Chinn*, Horn (if he can stay healthy), Luvu*, Ekwonu, Corbett, Moton, Bozeman, Thielan. However, there aren't enough to build around - and there's no exceptional talents (I think Horn could be, Ekwonu could be an All-Pro OG). We need a new GM to come in with a plan, strip this roster down to the nuts and bolts and start again. *if put in the right situations

You can't say that when Scott Fitterer is an NFL GM.

I want a GM willing to make that call.

He's really not - we're going 0-17.