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Cam Newton endured historic usage overall and beyond his rushing he made work things within the pocket with some truly horrific olinemen. Make no mistake he took his share of punishment within the pocket too. His frame helped. Young has already dealt with a shoulder injury btw. I'm sure you'll downplay that. "Young is listed a 6-foot, 194 pounds. That is historically small for a first-round quarterback. The last time a quarterback was taken in the first round who was the same size or smaller was 1960 – Richie Lucas, at 6-foot, 190 pounds, went No. 4 to Washington. Lewis played two seasons in the NFL and threw 99 passes. Since 2000, nine quarterbacks have appeared in an NFL game listed at 6-1, 200 pounds or smaller: Jeff Garcia, Tim Rattay, Thaddeus Lewis, Doug Flutie, Tyler Huntley, Kellen Moore, John Wolford, Ty Detmer and Koy Detmer. They have started a total of 177 games (106 by Garcia) and appeared in five Pro Bowls (4 for Garcia, 1 for Flutie). There is, effectively, almost no useful historical data on a quarterback Young's size." https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/nfl/colts/2023/01/23/nfl-draft-should-teams-worry-about-no-1-qb-prospect-bryce-youngs-size/69833733007/ There is an article that does a fairly good job of summarizing the present day conundrum. There really isn't enough data for a QB of Young's size to say if he will or won't have a long career. But the comparable QB's in his height and weight range in league history are concerning. At the very least if you draft him it will always remain in the back of your mind. But dismiss all this if it makes you feel better 🫡

Oh stop that do not drag Cam Newton into this you're acting like he was wheelchairbound after 2018. It's his arm. Other than that he survived a great deal of punishment considering how many times he rushed the football for us. That is specifically because of his size advantage. And yes if you think the size thing is "overblown" you clearly do have an agenda. Don't get upset when people point that out to you.

True but they didn't hire him to be the QB coach just to tell him to fug off.

Sure but "average" these days in terms of wide receivers is still pretty damn good. The Chiefs traded for a WR from the Giants and he helped them win a Superbowl. It's still a very sought after position and there are only so many to go around. I get the vibe some people are high on hopium and convincing themselves this is kind of like replacing an RB. We'll see how it shakes out.

If only it were this easy. Here's to hoping.

That's why they made the trade now. Plenty of time to mull it over. But I will trust Reich's judgment. Also Josh McCown will have a thing or two to say about all this.

Maybe we could stop comparing any of these rookie QB's to current or future hall of famers to fit our agendas. So far I'm seeing many more people doing this for Bryce than I am Stroud though.

If Russell Wilson and Kyler Murray are your only comps that can convince you he's your guy you might be in trouble.

That's the thing you're trying to make me out to just be a Bryce hater when I'm not. I think Stroud is more accurate and he has a better arm. But Young has plenty intangibles to like and he is solid in the mental aspects. There really aren't too many knocks on him in the most important areas. And the same can be said for Stroud but you aren’t giving him the benefit of the doubt because you only have eyes for Bryce. Getting back to size. Manziel was a fug head of the worst kind but he also was never going to replicate the things he did in college in the NFL and he was not going to play for 10-15 years regardless. You just don't want to face these realities for Bryce.

You can't just say "aside from size" and move on like it's totally inconsequential. The guy is size of Johnny Manziel. It's a huge difference in how we approach building the offense around him because he is going to touch the ball more than anyone else. If you want Young then we have to go even heavier on addressing our oline. We've seen how he looks on a stacked Bama team going against mediocre programs. Any time a defensive linemen gets near him I will hold my breath.

I could see DJ being newly motivated and going on a revenge tour. I could see it going the other way too. But if he has a career resurgence it will be fun to see those down on him flip flop.

This must have you in a tough spot. Tepper signed off on shipping off Moore but you wouldn't want to be seen being critical of your favorite billionaire owner. What to do what to do.

OP is fully on the Bryce Young wagon. This "just asking questions" bit about Stroud is easy to see through. If you are not willing to make this same kind of thread to discuss Young's cons then just say you want Young over him and stop the charade.

Stroud.

But Leaky Faucet said we really wanted Carr

Winning a title isn't the end all be all though. There are pros and cons for each QB. You go with the traits that you think will directly translate and can be coached up to even greater heights with this staff. Looking at the physical aspect it's a tough sell to expect Bryce to last 10-15 years with his frame. There's nothing wrong with acknowledging that.

Tepper spent a lot of money to assemble this coaching staff let them identify the right one. Whichever QB Reich thinks will lead this franchise back to winning should be the pick and I'll accept that.

Negative posts for Stroud and praise posts for Bryce. Bama Stans are making this place unbearable.

I'm ready for April. Already sick of the Bryce Young fap fest.

I mean I like Shaq but how ridiculous it would be to trade a 25 year old WR and overpay a soon to be 29 year old linebacker.

Oh boy.

Eh don't start this tomfoolery.

I feel your frustration. The video 89 put up made me feel a little better. I'm wait and see mode. They gotta do big things with the playmakers now.