micnificent28

this is the reason you shouldnt lump in Fran Tarkenton and roger staubach with Vick or even Willis. Darnold is not an elite athlete. He moves well and probably has sneaky speed if defenses aren't prepared for it but That athletic ability alone isn't enough to build a offense around or even devote a every down spy to. Didn't Jordan Davis a 330 pound defensive tackle just run a faster time than this guy? Darnold on paper may not be as good a athlete as you assume.

I mean if you no a hard-core draft nut you might think so. But I love this aspect of the NFL. But you won't find many that say he isn't a first rounder at qb.

One read qb sounds a lot like the guy we drafted in 2011. All the things they were saying about Cam then older guys like you are saying now. He's a running back move his position. He can't throw. But bottom line people have seen him throw well enough to say he's above everyone else in this class. That should tell you he's more than just some running back at qb. He has to be able to throw..everyone knows that. These teams aren't going to draft a qb first round that doesn't have the ability to throw.

I mean mcshay said it as well.. but now what we don't like mcshay because we don't agree with his opinion?

Definitely more on fire than you any day. You never have any Valid info or links to anything you say. You basically just fart in the wind and say "we all smell it".

The head of draft analytics for cbssports.

My bad I should have asked him to give detail because Mr completely doesn't like Willis and a simple yes isn't credible.

This should kill that whole argument. The whole idea that the quarterback wins and decides playoff victories is ridiculous. There are 21 other guys who have a large say so and looking at the score at the end of the game doesn't mean the better qb won the game.

You would be wrong for spending the number 6 pick on a limited upside Pickett and Howell who is projected second rounder. I like Howell but nobody has him going in the top 20 maybe not the first round.

Matter of fact PFF just mocked him to us a hour or so ago

Not everyone

The whole winning only with pocket passers myth is going to die a very quick death in the near future. With Brady Retirement imminent, and I guess we calling Stafford a pocket passer and he's at the end of the road. Who do you think is going to win super bowls? Because the rest of the league has some type of athleticism. The game as much as it doesn't seem isn't changing is. Remember when there was 1-2 guys who could move the chains with there legs? That trend has reversed. Almost every qb is capable of atleast running for a first down if the defense plays man.

This. The Vick can't throw perspective is Crap. People want to look at percentages and but he never turned the ball over more than he scored. Scoring is what a qb does. You add in his rushing totals with his arm totals and I would take vick. Vick into today's RPO system would be incredible. When Vick was drafted we hadn't seen a guy like him before. You can say Staubach, Fran or whoever but none of those guys ran a 4.3 or were even close to the threat Vick was. Vick was run away from DBs fast. None of those qbs before the early 90s were that. Those guys at best were about as mobile as Mahomes. Like yeah he might move the chains but, they weren't run away from you or 70s to the house fast so the level of respect for vicks legs were different. I think comparing his level mobility, Cam and also Lamar jackson to those guys is a joke.

I'm good with either of those exact 2. The only thing I would be upset about is if they drafted Pickett over Willis and a LT. If you took Hamilton I would be like eh...OK..even kayvon....elite upside. Don't draft a almost finished product with limited room for improvement. Like he pro ready but he's as ready as he will get.

NO.... see Dan Marino.

This!!!! People forget before that game people were saying Newton is leading in the race to repeat as league MVP. He was setting the league on fire. The pocket broke Newton, not running.

I think this is skewed. You used 2 guys as examples of running qbs. So you have 2 out 32 chance of winning the super bowl. Chances are you won't. Does that mean it can't work? No. Then the other example of couldn't keep it up leads to the idea Newtons body got destroyed running the ball so that's why he's not the Qb which isn't exactly the case either. We didn't protect him and he got hurt in the pocket that Pittsburg game. Even up until this previous season with us Newton still looked like the same runner as far as rushing ability goes. He didn't lose effectiveness. His arm was just gone. His ability rifle in strikes between coverage wasn't there. Not to mention playing behind the worst offense line in carolina history. The Newton wasn't a good quarterback and running is why Is greatly overstated.

This is a horrible take.... like nothing here makes sense barely enough? You don't Barely enough win a MVP and only lose 2 games in a season. BARELY win 3 division titles. The guy is a alltime record holder for rushing touchdowns in the league obviously your doing more than barely if your number 1 in a few categories and defeated Brady and all the pocket passers for a season. Barely? That means you can't throw at all really.

Sgars What's that percentage based on? Every qb has probably a greater chance to be a bust than success so its always a game.trevor Lawrence was a generational talent and look at how he looked?

This times 100...

He's had 2 9 sack seasons and has proven to be a pass rush threat. He's made the pro bowl? Maybe we need more bumper cars?

Hell Pat White dominated... that doesn't mean you have the arm talent to consistently win at the next level. Edward didn't even get at shot at. Playing QB and didn't even try..why because he just didn't have it. Again comparing Armanti Edwards to Willis is a insult. It's like saying all black running quarterbacks are the same and can't throw so move him to another position. Stop it.

Which is why every single athletic qb isn't projected to be first round number 1qb. Obviously Willis is the exception and not the standard-I can't throw so move me to wr like armanti Edward's. All athletic qbs are not the same guy. We have seen that. Kyler and Lamar most recently have proven that. Even with a Lamar jackson a lot of senior guys were crying he should play another position wr or hb. How many are saying that about Willis? Zero. Why because, he obviously has the traits to succeed at the quarterback position.

Armanti Edwards doesn't compare to Willis really other than being black. He didn't have the arm.. he didn't have the 230 build. He wasn't nearly as good a runner as Willis who broke more tackles at qb than anyone. Looking at how high Willis scored on the wonderlic, I dout he was as smart either. I think people see a great athlete and immediately assume he can't throw, he's inaccurate and not smart enough to read nfl defenses. That isn't Willis, stop with the idea all athletic qbs can't throw, that's as bad as saying all FSU defense ends are Everett brown. Until Brian burns came along and proved otherwise.

I mean clearly vs Ranked sec old Miss that team looked overmatched as a whole. Drawing to conclusion about a guy based on that one scenario could lead to a flawed perspective. If we look at his entire career. He rarely turns the ball over. And even tho over matched against d1 programs virgina tech and Syracuse he never lost to either one and was successful in the bow victories. I think it's safe to conclude if you look at his history vs that one game he thre multiple picks he was forced to try to make something happen while running for his life. You could probably find one game with any quarterbacks college career where they have 0-4 to ratio. But that's not what you look at to say he can't play quarterback.