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Just the cesspool being a cesspool. Too many people on this board who don't understand real football and who want to complain about literally everything. Trust me, this team has plenty enough issues without making imaginary grievances against the players who actually show up

better long term. but defense deserved so much better. We should cut Baker tomorrow. I never thought I could miss Sam Darnold until now

This place much like this game is a cesspool. I think it will take the level of discourse to bring this back to respectability will take longer than this interminable rebuild the Panthers are going through. I am never not ceased to be amazed by the low quality of posts at this point.

Don't care that we're losing but beyond tired of this bullshit officiating.

Put Sam in. this is painful

Anyone finding fault with the defense after that half needs their head checked. Offense needs to do more, but although it wasn't pretty, still a good effort in this 1st half

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Pro Bowl

Where has anything definitive been said about him missing this week? I have not seen anything confirming that

Rather have Bozeman but Elflein did much better at center than guard. It does hurt depth- Cade Mays' development needs to be fast tracked. If Elflein does recover, he will have some trade value in the off-season or we could keep him for depth. It's still weird to actually have a good offensive line

Darin Gantt Wilks says C Pat Efllein will have season-ending hip surgery. It's all Bradley Bozeman now. PFF CAR Panthers @PFF_Panthers Bradley Bozeman in week seven (93.2 PFF Grade) has the best single-week grade among all NFL centers this season.

I honestly cannot remember a time when the long-term outlook for the Offensive Line was this good. Probably since 2008. 2015 was great but it didn't last. I know today is full of overreaction threads for this year's team, but it is hard not to be excited about the Oline development. We would have been a consistent winner with Cam had we provided him with this kind of protection,

PFF CAR Panthers @PFF_Panthers Bradley Bozeman in week seven (93.2 PFF Grade) has the best single-week grade among all NFL centers this season. Yet another head-scratcher from Rhule... this offensive line could honestly be top 5 Almost unbelievable how badly Rhule mismanaged this roster

I want a franchise QB as much as anything, but in watching Stroud & Young, they don't strike me as can't-miss prospects

Icky and Christensen look to be the best combo on the left side of the offensive line since Gross/Wharton. Icky, Christensen, Bozeman, Corbett, and Moton Compare that to even 2 years ago Okung (most injured)/Daley, Miller, Paradis, Reed, Moton That is a massive, massive improvement

For the love of God please

I am convinced there are many people here who can only take joy in losing and complaining If PJ keeps playing like he did yesterday, then great. If not, we're going to be picking high enough to get a good QB prospect. Life is good today. I feel light years better about the direction of this team with Rhule gone.

I have no idea what game you watched... PJ was elite yesterday within the game plan. I don't live and die by PFF, but they gave him the highest QB grade of the year. I don't know about all that, but I know PJ better an almost perfect game yesterday against a quality defense. Did you actually watch the game??? I seriously have no idea what you are talking about... those TD throws to DJ and Tommy were the epitome of elite throws. Of course there is a good chance PJ won't be able to continue to play that well. But, at least for yesterday, he played the best game at QB a Panthers QB has since at least 2018 and maybe 2017

The Jets & Giants are perfect comps. Not SB caliber rosters, but certainly playoff caliber. Which is what the Panthers are with even adequate coaching and QB play

Even a conditional pick b/c neither will be on this team next year.

Vegas is based on perception... they want to split the bets and put the money line where they think that will happen. The national perception is still that the Panthers don't want to win and the line reflects that. Start winning some more and the perception (and thus the line) will change.

Seriously, where are the Panthers deeply flawed... outside of QB? B/c I've watched this team since the beginning, and it has been evident to me that this roster was far too talented for the crap product Rhule put on the field. Rhule sucked as an NFL coach, and he bungled QB about as bad as possible, but he did ok rebuilding the awful roster he inherited. The Panthers are light years better in the trenches than 3 years ago. That is not insignificant. Cam would have loved to have this offensive line and skill position group (even with CMC gone), b/c it's better than what we normally gave him. Obviously, nothing trumps getting QB right, but it's simply not true that this team has a deeply flawed roster. And losing CMC obviously hurts (although Foreman & Hubbard looked fine), but Robbie was addition by subtraction. I was worried about TE & LB, but the LBers have played well even though not elite. We could still use another TE, but Thomas is a good blocker, and hopefully we will continue to develop Tremble as a pass catcher... most TE's take some time. Is this roster on par with the Bills or Chiefs? Of course not. But I vehemently disagree with the notion that this roster is a trainwreck but it's not. And as we start getting some competent QB play, that fact will continue to become more apparent.

At the very least after last season. It was obvious from watching the sideline yesterday and the post-game locker room these men want to follow Wilks way more than they ever did the short-order cook in a smock...

I think we can run all day on Atlanta. The Bucs defense is still good (although not close to a few years ago), but our Oline had their way with them. This team can and should run the ball a lot. Atlanta has some juice on offense, but their defense simply lacks talent. I'm still torn on this season. I do think Rhule was the majority of the problem... there was/is entirely too much talent for this team to play so bad. This division truly is bad enough to be won. I really want Steve Wilks to get a fair shake. That being said, we all know a franchise QB is the biggest long-term goal. As we saw yesterday, we finally have been built right in the trenches. That goes a long, long way to supporting a young QB. DJ is still capable of WR1 things in case people forgot. The cupboard is certainly not bare. I feel a lot better about the CMC trade. The idea of a multi-year rebuild is bs. Honestly, losing this year is still probably in our best long-term interest, but this team and fanbase needed that win yesterday. Draft be damned, it felt amazing beating TB12 in his last game at BOA. Ironically too, it was one of the most fun games I've ever been to in 16+ years... the energy on the Panthers sideline was palpable. Like they had finally been unleashed from the Rhule curse.

Ummm... we don't have Cam and that is certainly huge... But... the current secondary and Oline are far superior than that 2013 team. The 2013 team had a better Front 7 overall, but Burns, Brown, and Luvu to go along with Horn & Chinn make it a wash for me This roster overall has as much if not more overall talent than 2013. QB & HC make a massive difference