tukafan21

So first, you're not "giving away" picks to the offense when you're adding a guy who has legit Top 5 WR potential, you're adding a difference maker at one of the most important positions in today's game. Second, is that your first sentence is just flat out incorrect. We don't need highly drafted defensive players. We need impact players and difference makers on the defensive side of the ball. Those two things are not the same thing, it doesn't matter where you get them, whether it's in free agency or any round of the draft. Defensive rookies take longer to make an impact in this league on average than offensive ones. Even if we use the 1st pick on defense, with the cap room we'll have, that player should be at best, the 3rd or 4th most impactful new player on the defense next year when the season opens. We're not going to be SB contenders in 2025, this defense isn't going to be fixed in one offseason. If T-Mac is there and you have a player of his potential at a position that is so vital in today's NFL, I can't see how you pass on that to take a defensive player when there isn't anyone in this draft at that slot who is going to be an instant day 1 impact maker. A #1 WR is really the last piece of the puzzle we need on offense right now (if you're a Bryce believer), if you can get that in the 1st this year, you do and then use all other picks and cap room in 25 and 26 on the defense and we're ready to contend in 2026 (with Bryce or someone else).

Hence why I've been all in on the T-Mac train for over a year now, but doubt he falls to us at 8 unless he runs a slow 40, and maybe not even then. In general I'd be okay with it, but not for any of those players. First of all, Higgins, Godwin, and Allen are all FA's, so draft capital isn't in the equation. Beyond that, Higgins is going to want Top 5 money if he were to come here, Allen is well past his prime at this point, and Godwin is coming off another injury and is about to turn 29 so he just doesn't make sense either to give big money to. Tyreek would be a disaster of a situation here and he'd suck up most/all of our cap room to where we can't spend it on defense. I'd rather use the cap on Higgins than Tyreek, but I'm still not okay with that because we need to use the cap on defensive players who will make more of an impact for us next year than defensive draft picks could. Wilson would be the only player that would make sense to target, but I'm not giving up the 8th pick or our 1st rounder next year to then have to give him a huge deal, and I can't see the Jets trading him for anything less than a 1st. We'd be MUCH better off trading from 8 down to the 12-15 range and drafting Burden to have on a rookie deal and add other draft assets, than trading 8 for Wilson and then giving him a big new contract. DK Metcalf is the player I wanted to target in a trade last offseason, and while I'd still like that idea in a vacuum, him and XL don't make for a great pairing as they're too similar. So not sure I'd love giving up picks to give him a big contract and not be adding a different style WR to the team, even if he's obviously better than XL.

And that last play is exactly why I don't love Daniels long term NFL potential unless he drastically changes the way he plays/runs. He just takes WAY too big of hits, and too frequently, for a player of his build. He's not Cam, he's not Josh Allen, he needs to learn to be smarter when he runs or he'll just be another repeat of RG3 and be out of the league in a few years because he gets hurt and never fully comes back the same player.

Well there's no way of there being a package deal in the end though. The Raiders need to hire a HC well before there can be any possible trade of draft picks. There's literally no way to assure him the Raiders will trade up because it's dependent on other teams to play ball, no matter how much the Raiders want to do it. But if the Raiders were to hire Deion, it does all but guarantee a team will either make a trade with the Raiders, or if not, I don't see anyone wiling to draft Shedeur. Because if they do hire him, does anyone think Shedeur is even going to play ball with those other teams? No fuging chance... if they were to hire Deion, Shedeur would then not go to the combine, he wouldn't go on any team visits or interviews, he'd lock everyone else out and threaten a hold out and not sign if they were to draft him. In that scenario, no team is going to draft him in the end anyways and the Raiders wouldn't even need to trade up. Which if it were to happen, just seems like it would be some form of tampering with the draft by the Raiders to conspire with a prospect to make sure other teams don't draft them. Just would be a very odd situation all around that I'd think the league would love to avoid.

I still don't think Deion can coach in this league, his style of coaching works with kids, not grown men who are making 10's of millions of dollars a year. But this really would create a very weird situation if the Raiders were to hire him in the end. How does the NFL go about it if the Titans or Browns refuse to trade with the Raiders to move up to get Shedeur and then Shedeur tells every team he will refuse to sign with them if they draft him instead of letting him fall to daddy's team? Or do the Raiders not even try to trade up because of that? And if so, what can/should the league do about it when a team and player conspire together to force teams to not draft someone? If I'm the other teams at the top of the draft, I'm just passing on Shedeur and letting him fail with the Raiders anyways, as I don't think he's going to be a good NFL QB to begin with. But it really would create a very weird situation that is going to end up being ugly no matter how it plays out. Also all of it doesn't even begin to touch on how stupid it would be for the Raiders to do it anyways. Because what happens if Deion sucks as a coach but Shedeur turns out to be great? Or what happens if Deion is a great coach but Shedeur is a clear bust of a draft pick? You're stuck with Deion because you can't fire him and then expect Shedeur to not demand a trade. Or you're stuck with a crap QB because you can't cut him or your HC will quit on you. Part of me wants to see it happen just for the disaster scenarios to play out and sit back with my popcorn to watch.

For hunting animals that people regularly hunt and eat? I'm not going to say I'd ever want to try to eat Raccoon or Squirrel, but it's not different than someone posting/talking about hunting deer or other animals that it's "normal" to hunt and eat. My bigger fear with it is that he's going to get some weird disease as some of these animals have to carry some diseases I'd imagine.

I might be a Panthers fan because of Biakabutuka, but if we end up getting T-Mac, might have to change my name to TMacFan4 lol

I can't tell if this means the Browns are going to draft a QB #2 now, or if they're going to use this as a chance to just blow it all up and trade the pick to the Giants or Raiders. Can see both sides of it, this is their chance to get a new QB, or they realize they're going to be in cap hell for a couple years because of the dead hits from Watson and just go full on re-build mode for a year or two and hope for the #1 pick next year in a better QB draft.

To me it more means Glenn knows he's getting a different job already, like New Orleans.

Realistically I think this only could apply to 2 teams, possibly a 3rd There were questions if the Dolphins would move on from McDaniel, so I could see them interested. People have long wondered what an early playoff loss would mean for Siriani, so maybe Philly would want to. And a very outside chance I could see Shanahan want to work with Caleb and the 49ers look for a deal. Can't see the Bears interested in any other HC right now that the team would be willing to talk about a trade.

Strongly disagree... I think he's taking the smartest approach any HC candidate has taken in a LONG time, maybe ever. He's still only 38 years old and only been an OC for 3 years. He knows how this league is, no matter how great of a football mind you have, most coaches only get one shot at being a HC, and if it doesn't go well, they likely capped their future career opportunities as coordinators. He is in an OUTSTANDING situation for a coach in his situation. Because as someone else said, Campbell isn't really an X's and O's coach, he's a rah rah type of coach who depends a lot on his coordinators. So Johnson gets to learn how to be a leader of a football team from one of the best in the league, which for a 38 year old coach, is almost impossible to quantify how important that is for him. While also having a truly elite offense to work with as they have everything, one of the best OL's, one of the best WRs, and maybe the best RB room in the entire league. In league circles, I'm sure Johnson gets more credit for the Lions actual play than Campbell does, especially this year with their defense being so bad because of injuries and being carried by an elite offense that Campbell has little to do with. So he's doing nothing but increasing his stock throughout the league by staying there and turning the Lions of all franchises into an offensive juggernaut and a true SB contender. Teams aren't going to stop wanting to hire him and he's only 38, there's no reason for him to take just any job offered to him as opposed to waiting for the one he thinks is the perfect fit for him. I still think he would be the Chargers HC right now if Harbaugh didn't decide to go back to the NFL, and when he didn't get that last year, he was fine waiting again for the right opportunity to arise.

Don't believe me all you want, but he will be.

Yep, except I think he'll be more useful than Odell has been, because while he won't have the game breaking speed that's made him a HOFer. He'll still be plenty fast enough to get used, particularly on gadget plays or just getting the ball to him on a screen and let him run with it. But his days of being a 1,500+ guy who defenses need to spend all week game planning for will disappear in an instant when he can't just run past everyone with ease as he's done throughout his career. And again, he might have reached that tipping point this year, because as bad as Miami was, Tua still played in 11 games and Tyreek took a big step back this year. I'll be honest in that I didn't watch most of their games, so part of it is looking at stats here, but something tells me he's already lost a tiny bit of that speed, and if he loses a tiny fraction again going into next year, he won't crack 1,000 yards again.

By watching the tape and watching the QB and seeing where he looks first? Seems kinda obvious on that one, no? lol And yes, I know sometimes QB's will look off a DB, but in general, you can tell who the first read was when watching the tape post game.

If we move back from 8 to 14, we better be getting a 1st next year out of the deal Which I can't see someone giving up in this draft unless someone very unexpectedly falls to us, and if they would, we probably should just be taking whatever player is sitting there and worth it to make that offer as it probably would be one of T-Mac, Johnson, or Graham. Any of whom if they fall to 8 we should be jumping all over as I think they all are Top 7 picks for sure, just a matter of order based on team needs.

HELLLLLLLLLLL NO Would I love Crosby? Of course Are we in any position to give up the multiple 1sts they'd need in return for him? No fuging way Too many holes to give up at minimum 2 firsts, and possibly more, that the Raiders would need to trade him away.

But for him it's not even slowing down in the same way someone like Hopkins has slowed down, as Hopkins is still a great route runner with truly elite hands. Once Hill loses a quarter of a step, he's going to fall off a cliff because it takes away his difference making ability, if he can't just out run defenders, he's nowhere near the same player. If I'm a team, I'd rather miss out on his last year of being elite than get stuck with him when he falls off that cliff in a hurry, and this might have been that year that he started to lose that step and next year he's just going to be another small WR with speed, but not the game breaking speed he's had until now.

Literally makes no sense when T-Mac is going to be the better player, he’s younger, and would be on a rookie contract Just think of it the other way around, if the Jets have the 7th and 8th pick after trading Wilson and T-Mac is there, it means they’re taking him. why would we want to be on the end of the deal that gets the player with a lower ceiling, is older, and will cost more money over the next 4 years? the only advantage Wilson has over T-Mac might be during his rookie year while he gets used to the NFL game, but by year 2 it won’t even be a debate who is better. T-Mac will be a Top 5 WR by the time he needs his 2nd contract, I’m 100% convinced of it

Most rookies get their extensions done after their 3rd season, and if you trade for the player at that time, they’re going to force you to give them the extension then, they’ll have all the leverage, especially if you gave up a first to get them

Uh, no... if T-Mac is there at 8 and we trade that for Wilson and give him the contract, it would be the most inept move imaginable. T-Mac > Wilson before T-Mac's 2nd season in the league is over.

If XL is being included, more like next year's 3rd, don't like going another year without a 2nd round pick. But again, I'm not doing that if I'm the Jets as some contender would give them their 1st rounder for him in a heartbeat. For example, if I'm the Chargers, I'm offering up my 1st this year and probably additional assets on top of that. Herbert, Wilson, Ladd, and a Harbaugh offense would be downright scary.

Yes, but again, it's not an anti-Wilson thing, it's solely allocation of resources. If the Jets were to be dumb enough to trade us Wilson for non 1st round picks, it totally changes my mind on going after him, but I really can't see any way they do that, he's too young and good for them to trade him for anything less than at least a 1st, which is something almost any contender who needs a WR would be willing to give them. If we're trying to trade for a WR, I'd rather go after someone like DK Metcalf who is a few years older and likely could be had for less of draft capital because trading him would also free up cap room for Seattle.

Yes, but my point is for the same cap room we could have Burden and a legit starting pass rusher, I'm taking that over just Wilson every time. Because anyone trading for Wilson is going to need to give him a Top 10 WR contract at the same time, and with today's WR market, that's A LOT of money for a position we could fill on a rookie contract in Burden. It's allocation of resources, not being afraid of spending the cap. If we were a #1 WR away from being legit contenders, like the Bills and Eagles with Diggs and Brown, then it's a different discussion, but we're not that. We have so many holes right now, that filling one of the holes at the cost of being able to fill 2 of them for the same price, just isn't good roster management. Also, all of that is disregarding that we likely wouldn't need to use the 8th on Burden anyways. If he's who we really wanted (and T-Mac was already gone of course), we likely could trade back another 5-7 picks, still get him, but add another solid draft pick as well.

I'm actually not so sure he's still a top shelf WR, he's kinda always been a one trick pony with his speed and he turns 31 in a couple of months. His fall off of an elite WR is going to be very quick and sudden as once he loses even a quarter of a step, he will have lost the difference between him being just a good WR and a HOFer. I'm not as convinced that his down year was because of the QB situation as much as the start of him showing his age. I know the Tua injury screwed up the Dolphins season, but he still played in 11 games and it's not like Tyreek was killing it all season except the games he was out. He had three games over 100 yards and only had 5 games all year over 72 yards. For a player like Tyreek who has long made his impact on quick passes and then just out running everyone for big plays, that's a sign to me that he's slowing down, not QB problems.

I'm vehemently against Burden at 8, it's way too high for him. But I'd rather take him at 8 than trade for Wilson, 100 times out of 100. It's not that I think Burden is going to be the better player, I actually don't think he'll ever be as good as Wilson is/will be. But if you make that trade you then have to give Wilson a new contract instead of having that position on a rookie deal. Using the pick on Burden and then the extra cap space on a defensive player would be a million times smarter than trading for Wilson and giving him a big deal. It's basically would you rather have Wilson or Burden and a legit pass rusher, seems like an easy decision to me.