tukafan21

BB is a great football mind and known for being a great defensive game planner. But I honestly don't know if he's the type of coach who is good at building up young players and improving their game, that's not really something NFL HC's tend to be very hands on with, especially coaches at the point in their career as BB is, that's something that position coaches are in charge of doing. BB getting that job would mean the players in that program likely learn more NFL style concepts and will go about their business in a more professional way, but I don't know if they'll become better actual players on the field because of BB.

And the Patriots got Tom Brady at pick 199, why can't we just do the same thing?!?!?! You realize how asinine it is by pointing out the mid round players who ended up as Top 5 players at their position is, right? If every team could turn all their mid round picks into superstars, this would be an entirely different league and nobody would care who they take in the first round, because you're leaving every draft with a handful of new future stars.

LOL, you should be inside my head McGrady was my favorite player for years, have a bunch of his shoes, jersey, all of it. I'm also an Arizona alum who has seen every snap of McMillan's career.................... And I still screw up saying his first name after 3 years of watching him, and I also still can't not hear McGrady in my own head when I say T-Mac. But it's a problem I'd LOVE to deal with for the next 10+ years as well, hahahaha.

Why is this so hard for people to understand? At no point did I say the team should intentionally lose or tank the rest of the season, just that I hope we lose out. No, the players/team aren't trying to lose, they are playing 100% and attempting to win (however if a player is dinged up a bit, having them sit instead of fighting through it to play is the way to go for a number of reasons). But I'm not hoping they win, I want us to show fight, show improvement, but in the end, lose the game because I know it's what is best for the franchise in the long term. There is a grand canyon sized gap between trying to lose and hoping we lose, it's not hard to understand the difference between them. The team, players, coaches, etc, don't try to lose, but as fans, we can hope they lose for the betterment of the franchise's future. I'd rather be happy for the next 10 years because we built a contending team than be happy for 10 minutes by winning our 4th game in a lost season. If that means "rooting against us" to accomplish that goal, I'm comfortable with that because I can see the bigger picture and that's more important to me than the immediate satisfaction. And I put that in quotes because I don't view that as rooting against us. Rooting for us to show fight and improvement but still losing to help the franchise, in my mind, is actually rooting for us. It's just not rooting for this team on the field that particular Sunday, it's rooting for us as a franchise.

Do you realize what it would cost to trade for him? It would cost us at least 2 1st rounders (probably 3 and maybe other picks too) and then one of, if not the biggest, non QB contract in NFL history. As great as it would be to have a player like him, it would hurt us more than it would help because of the cap and lost of draft pick implications, It would essentially be trading away anywhere from 4-6 starters for just him between who we'd draft in the 1st rounds (and have on rookie deals) and sign with that cap space.

So your hatred of the Cowboys is stronger than your love of the Panthers? Being competitive like we have the last few weeks, but still losing the game is 100% the best thing for this franchise long term. A single meaningless win in a lost season isn't going to give the players or staff some newfound confidence that will carry over into next season and help the team, hell, a couple late wins wouldn't have any affect on that at this point. Drafting in the Top 5 vs even say 10th can be a game changer 3 years later. No, not all draft picks are guaranteed to turn into stars, but if you're picking in the Top 5, especially if 2 QB's get overdrafted before you, you're leaving with one of the 2 or 3 best players in the draft class and have a better chance of them turning into a superstar than whoever you're getting 5-7 picks later. I've never understood why people can't see the bigger picture at this point in a season and root against your team because you know that's really what is best for the franchise's long term future. If we were already sitting in that 10-12 range and don't have as many holes in the roster, then yea, you root for the wins to build upon the next season (see the Lions 2 years ago), but that's not the case for us.

The problem is I'm not sure how we do that this offseason I don't want any cap room spent on offense, every available dollar needs to go into upgrading the defense with vets who can step in from day 1 and contribute. Any offensive free agents should be super cheap, such as backup OL or something, not starter money. Also, if we're lucky enough to draft T-Mac with our 1st, it also means we're likely going to need to use the rest of our draft picks on defense as well, at the very minimum, our 2nd rounder would need to be defense. So really 3rd round pick is our best chance at finding a center this offseason, beyond that, not sure we have much of options unless we sacrifice defensive spending, but after spending so much in FA last year on the OL, not sure it makes enough sense to do it again.

Is he even the 4th best player inside the tackle box on offense? Most of the OL and Hubbard have all been playing better than Bryce the last few weeks And it's not to bash his play over that time, it's obviously been better, but better than before doesn't mean he's been playing amazing either, he's been serviceable.

I do think this is an underestimated reason for how we've looked the last few weeks. We got KC coming off their first loss and probably expecting us to be a cake walk and likely had a post-Buffalo hangover all week We also got Philly coming off a win on the road in Baltimore and the week before hosting the Steelers in Philly, talk about your classic trap game scenario. Yes we've improved the last few weeks, but I don't think it's 100% on us, I think some of it has been lack of proper motivation/focus from the other teams.

This game and the Jaguars will combine to go a long way in deciding where we end up drafting. If we lose this game and then lose out, we're picking no worse than 4th with a real shot at moving up higher. If we beat Dallas and then lose out (or lose to Dallas and then have an upset win), then the Jaguars will end up having a serious say in where we draft. As the 3 win Jags still play the 2 win Raiders, 3 win Titans, and 3 win Jets. All of those teams will likely have higher SOS than we will, so even if we get to 4 wins, we'll pick higher than all of those teams if we end up with the same records. Ideal scenario is we lose out, Raiders beat the Jags, nothing else matters and we're at worst picking 3rd. If we win a game, ideal scenario would be Jags beat Raiders and then lose to the Titans and Jets, as then we're still picking 5th at worst if the Browns lose out, if they win one (like a home game against Miami in week 17), we'd still be picking 4th even with a win in these final 4 games.

Because Hunter is going to be a CB at the next level. Or because T-Mac is a better WR than Hunter is. Take your pick

I disagree, he doesn't have the physical tools, his "potential" is severely limited because of that fact. Before these last few weeks he's been so bad that people are confusing serviceable with true franchise QB potential. He was the #1 overall pick and he's looking barely serviceable at the end of his 2nd season, that's not a good thing, he should have been looking like this from game 1 last year.

I love how Bryce looking like a barely serviceable, still below average NFL QB, is making people think he has shown he can be a franchise QB. You don't trade away multiple 1st round picks and your best offensive player for that. I said it before we even drafted him, his max potential was like 20th best QB in the league, too good to ever let walk in free agency but never good enough to actually be elite and lead you to SB contention. That was a year and a half ago before we even drafted him and I still don't think he can be that good, I'd drop it back now to maybe 25th best QB in the league. He might be a serviceable game manager, but he's never going to be an average QB in this league, he just doesn't have the physical traits to be so. He's looking halfway competent and putting up below average numbers, stop trying to pretend he's all of a sudden balling out.

YOU responded to MY post responding to someone else saying we should trade our 2026 1st for DK by saying how Bryce is the future. All I was saying was how no matter what you think about him right now, he hasn't shown near enough to make that trade. YOU inserted yourself into a separate discussion about trading that 1st for a WR. You can't then get upset at me pointing out how my post had nothing to do with Bryce's future in a vacuum but in regards to him not showing enough to trade that future 1st rounder this offseason so we can overpay a WR. You're basically saying that you can jump into the middle of a separate discussion with a completely irrelevant point, but if someone tries to steer it back to the original point, they're talking nonsense. You can just admit you didn't read my post and/or the post I was responding to and you jumped the gun on this one, it's okay, nobody is going to fault you for it.

And I've said we need that fast quick twitch slot guy as well, but if you draft Burden to be that guy, it still screws us over as we'd have a MASSIVE hole on the outside by still not having a true #1. And once you then spent back to back 1st rounders on WR, as well as having Coker, plus all the holes in our defense, you're not splashing in free agency to get an outside #1 or using another 1st rounder the following year to get one. So since you can get those quick twitch slot WRs in the middle rounds or in FA, you don't over draft one at the top of the 1st round just because we need one. And this isn't an argument for T-Mac, it's an argument about building up a complete roster, not forcing picks to fill a need despite it not being the right draft slot to do so.

Again, do you ever even read my posts or just see it's me and jump in there saying anything you want? Someone said to trade our 2026 1st for DK I responded to that saying Bryce hasn't shown near enough to give up our 2026 1st in a QB heavy draft. You jump in there saying Bryce is looking like the future. I respond reiterating that he hasn't shown near enough to trade our 26 1st, since that was my point initially. It's not hard to follow along man, just read.

In no way shape or form has Bryce shown anything near enough of being a franchise QB to trade away our 2026 1st round pick this offseason, that’s just a flat out stupid take.

If we trade our 2026 1st for a WR, then we're the dumbest franchise in the history of sports. Bryce isn't the future, no matter how much some people here want to believe he still has it in him. If we trade our 1st rounder in a QB loaded draft, for the right to give a $30 million contract to a WR, then we deserve all the bad things that happen to us.

I know I saw some say that in the offseason, not sure I've seen any rank him over either T-Mac or Hunter as of late (and I may be wrong, not like I've seen all the rankings). But either way, it's the same argument that I've been making for why T-Mac makes so much sense for us, but in reverse for Burden. We need an outside #1 WAY more than another slot dominant WR, and you can find the smaller quick twitch slot WRs in the middle rounds and in FA. We have so many holes, I can't see over drafting a slot WR when we have so many other holes.

Not with a Top 5 pick, and if we trade down, it's for an edge rusher that makes sense in that 10-12 range as opposed to the Top 5. Like the player, just don't like how he aligns with our draft position

There's no good answer here I've said numerous times I'm not touching Hunter even if he's there, and Burden is the next up in the draft, but he's a slot WR and not worth a Top 5 pick anyways, no way I'm taking him there (and if I'm trading back, I'm not doing it to take a WR, it's to get additional draft picks and taking an edge rusher at a draft slot that makes sense for the prospect). Not a fan of taking ANOTHER 2nd round WR and hoping they pan out, I'd say to target someone like a DK Metcalf who the Seahawks might not want to give a new contract to, but not like we have the right assets to even make a serious offer as there is no way in hell I'm giving up future 1st round picks. Overpay for Higgins? Even though I really don't want to use our cap room on offense. Go another year without a true #1? That feels like the final answer unfortunately

It’s a misleading stat As I also pointed out, the guy followed that tweet up by saying the next names on the list are some of the best young WRs in the league right now. That stat doesn’t mean he can’t get separation, it means he’s getting double and triple teamed all the time, and the lack of other quality options in that offense means the QB is constantly forcing the ball to him when he shouldn’t be. AND he still makes those contested catches because his hands and catch radius are so good.

We will have cap room and for the most part, the best free agents every year are on the defensive side of the ball because teams try not to let their offensive stars hit the open market. Drafting defense early in the draft won't have as much of an impact as adding T-Mac would, especially if we use all our cap room on the defense in free agency. If T-Mac is there, he's the pick, he's literally the best player/fit combo in the draft for this franchise and the current state of the roster. XL has potential but he's never going to be that true outside #1. The best defensive players in the draft are two CBs and a DT, the only positions on defense that we have potential pro bowl talent right now. None of the QB's in this draft make sense to go for after we made the Bryce mistake so recently and still have so many holes. We're set on the offensive line right now except Center, which obviously you don't use a Top 5 pick for. If we end up around 10, T-Mac isn't going to be there and it's the right place in this draft to go after an edge rusher, but if we're at about 5, T-Mac really needs to be the target.

Yea, seems like a tweet written to get interactions, as that follow up he made completely changes it. If he included those names in the first tweet, it would have entirely changed how people took it. Like I said, if you've watched every snap of his like I have, he has zero issue getting separation, his contested targets are because of the double/triple teams as well as the QB just forcing it to him when he is covered (as no WR gets open on EVERY route they run no matter how good they are). When a QB/WR combo in college have played together for literally the last 8 years of their lives and are best friends, as well as having no other receiving threats, you're going to see a lot of that QB just trusting his WR to make a play and chuck it up to him when he shouldn't. No, he's not a quick twitch athlete like a Tyreek and going to get separation in that same way, but as I've said every time people mention T-Mac's size and assume he's just a plodding big WR... he's not. He has MORE than enough speed and wiggle in his game to get the job done at an elite level in the NFL, he just also happens to be 6'5" with a catch radius the NFL hasn't seen since Calvin Johnson. And any "lack of separation" he might have compared to those 6' quick twitch speedsters, is negated by how great he is at making contested catches.

I also just went and looked at the actual tweet, he even followed it up by saying the next 4 names on the list if he kept it going would be Tee Higgins, Marvin Harrison Jr, George Pickens, Ja'Marr Chase and then shorty after that you have DK Metcalf, Brian Thomas Jr, and Drake London. So basing your opinion on T-Mac based on that initial tweet is obviously not exactly fair, as that number clearly can mean the player either can't get separation, or they're so good that the defense throws so many defenders at them that they rack up contested targets.