tukafan21

When you do, if you remember, quote this post and show me the play where Bryce got hit as he was trying to launch one to T-Mac. The announcers were saying he had broken loose and was going to be open, but they never showed the replay, so I’d be very curious what the back end of the play looked like on that one and if he really had an easy TD with another half second of time for Bryce as they made it seem

So you’re saying you’d rather have taken a lesser WR or TE because you feel they align better for our awful QB who is likely to be off the team next year as of this moment? Thats how bad teams stay bad. Draft the best players, if your current scrubs can’t use them properly, replace them with better players and build a better roster. T-Mac is the truth, get on board this train or get run over by it.

Yep, as you can see here, Bryce is starting to throw the out route to XL but realizes he wasn't turning his head for it. Then the next picture is when he finally turned, but as you can see, he turned the wrong way and is still drifting towards the front corner of the end zone, not to the sideline for the quick out for the first down. So I think he both ran the wrong route and didn't get his head around in time anyways. Why we're trying to run that play on 4th down to XL instead of T-Mac will never make any sense to me. Seems like a classic case of the coaches saying, "they obviously think we're going to T-Mac here, so let's try and fool them and throw it to XL instead and use T-Mac as a decoy." But sometimes you just have to let your best players make plays, even if they're a rookie and even if the defense knows you're going that way.

So to you, a player needs to break records to show that he's a true elite prospect? Complete nonsense And FYI... yes, he's 100% on pace to break the Panthers rookie receiving record, after a game where our QB looked like he'd get cut from your average HS squad. KB has the record with 1,008 yards and T-Mac is currently on pace for about 1,150 on the season, so............

100% on that second part. If Fisch and co. stick around for one more year, last year isn't the dumpster fire it is and he puts up a season that ends up getting him into the Top 5. I wanted defense in a vacuum as well, because we needed it, but the reality is that there just wasn't any defensive player there at 8 that made any sense to take over him. Carter would have made sense, but I'm still not even sure Graham would have since we already have DB, it was a bad draft to need defense in the Top 10. Once it was clear there wasn't a worthy defensive candidate for us outside of Carter, and that he'd never have fallen to us, clearly it was an easy call to me. Bear Down!

Oh that was definitely it, I've always just loved watching him make those kind of catches, his ability to reach out and pluck the ball out of the air with late hands is next level kind of stuff and why I've never been concerned when people bring up the "he can't separate" thing. No, he's not a true elite separator like some of these 6'ish quick twitch WRs like Chase, JJ, Nabers, etc. But he brings other elements to the game that even those guys just can't do, because he just has size that can't be taught and combined with his hands/radius, with good QB play, also can't be stopped by any DB.

Anyone have a clip of his catch that was called back on the illegal man downfield? Not sure I've seen it since the play happened, but I want to see it again. I feel like I just remember it looked like the ball was going to hit the defender in the back and he made a great adjustment to swim around him and make a great hands catch.

T-Mac anytime TD next week seems like a GREAT bet After how yesterday went, it would be a shock if he isn't HEAVILY targeted from the opening kickoff this weekend, I'm expecting close to 15 targets this week. Combined with it being played in Arizona, so you've got to think his college teammates are going to make the 2 hour drive up from Tucson to see him play. Plus it's not a long trip from his hometown in SoCal either, so he should have a lot of family and friends in attendance on this one. All just aligns for him to get into the end zone I think.

I'm not so sure that it was T-Mac on that one, I think it was meant to be a quick out to XL but he ran the wrong route. Can't seem to find it in this moment, but this morning I saw a clip of the play basically from the angle of the first down marker on the sideline and it looks like as soon as Bryce took the snap, he looked XL's way and started to cock back his arm to throw it but XL just never turned around and kept drifting towards the end zone. I could be wrong, but to me, albeit on just one look, it looked like he expected XL to turn his head around and run an out route 2 yards past the LOS to pick up the 1st and when he didn't, Bryce panicked.

Where T-Mac stands after Week 1 (albeit before MNF) Tied for 25th in the NFL in receiving yards overall... 2nd among all Rookies Tied for 19th in the NFL in receiving yards amongst WRs... 1st among all Rookie WRs Tied for 10th in the NFL in 1st Down Catches... Tied for 1st among all Rookies and 1st among all Rookie WRs Not too shabby for being stuck with Bryce throwing him the ball in a broken offense.

I'll be honest, with how bad we looked and paying more attention to my Fantasy matchup thanks to the delay (and how bad we looked), I wasn't paying the most attention when we were on defense. But I did see Princely out there a decent amount, but I don't remember seeing Scourton out there even one time. Was wondering if I just didn't see him given my minimal attention when on defense, or if maybe he didn't play with him still coming back from the injury and getting into game shape.

The giveaway was putting on his college tape, sitting in front of the screen with my eyes open, and watching what I'm seeing in front of me.

If that wasn't a throw away but an actual pass attempt, then he should be cut right now, not tomorrow, not even just "today" but right this very second.

That doesn't necessarily make him a bigger bust Look, I'm not remotely defending Bryce, my history here has proven that I'm anything but a fan. But I think people forget the hype around Wilson and Lance vs the amount of non hype there was around Bryce except for a few small number of people. That alone is why I just can't get to where I rank Bryce with those all time bust labels. Even guys like Russell and Leaf had supreme amount of pre-draft hype around them, levels Bryce never reached in the lead up to that draft.

Honestly it depends on your definition of bust. I think there is an argument to be made that he's not even Top 2 since 2021, and that's coming from one of the bigger anti Bryce people here since before we even drafted him. I think Zack Wilson and Trey Lance both had more pre-draft hype than Bryce did, maybe by a wide margin, and both of them ended up turning out even worse than Bryce has. Plus the 49ers gave up almost as much as we did for Bryce to take an unproven raw D2 QB who hadn't played in a year because Covid shut that level of football down. While the Jets turned down all sorts of big offers to take Wilson as well. We made Bryce a bust by making the trade and then taking him, despite him not being liked by many analysts for the same reasons that was clear to so many of us fans. It was widely talked about being a bad QB draft, so much so that the Bears stuck with Justin Fields for another year and traded away the #1 pick because of it. So as bad as Bryce has been, I honestly don't think he ranks near the top of the all time busts list, mainly because I think people forget he wasn't some can't miss prospect and we're the idiots who made a bad trade to take him to make it just look worse.

We lost our depth 48 hours apart when we traded our #3 and put the #2 on IR

No, you’re just mistaken They were showing Hunter highlights on offense and then went to the one of him on defense playing a charmin soft zone on T-Mac. The guys in the studio didn’t realize they were them showing a defensive clip of Hunter and were laughing about the soft coverage “we” were playing on him, and then they realized it and corrected themselves. They were joking and saying something like “what would you call that coverage? Would that even be considered a soft zone?” And then something else I don’t remember. Then they realized it was a clip of him on defense and not our coverage on him.

This They were making a joke about what kind of defense Hunter was playing, 100%

Again, one play doesn't change a full game's narrative. They had 32 carries for 200 yards. Take away Etienne's single long run of 71 yards, and they only had 129 yards on their other 31 carries. If I told you a team had 31 carries for 129 yards, I don't think anyone would say that team defended the run poorly in that game. I'm not excusing this game, the players, the staff, any of it. I'm just saying people who look at final box scores and try and make the averages or totals be the narrative for an entire game are just being purposefully obtuse to try and make their point and hoping people won't realize it.

I've seen people bring up the "7 yards per carry" a few times already, and while a little bit true (and also a little false), it's also a tad disingenuous Because they didn't average 7 ypc, they averaged 6.3, which is 10% less. And if you remove the 71 yarder that Etienne broke off, they only averaged 4.1 ypc the rest of the game. I'm not saying we were great, and you can't just pick and choose plays to remove from stats to fit a narrative. But our rush defense was nowhere near as bad as saying "they averaged 7 yards per carry" seems to insinuate.

Is it weird that this makes me like him more at the moment? Rhule would have tossed the entire team under the bus, but Canales steps up after almost the entire team looked terrible (and half the time due to their own dumb mistakes that have nothing to do with the coaching) and said he was the problem and not the players. It does show some leadership to do that and I kinda like it, but man, post ass kicking pressers aren't going to help us win games or win over the fans, need to turn it into wins.

My bad my Wildcat brother I feel like I spoke it into existence for him to become a Panther, and all I did was saddle my GOAT with this team, this offense, and unfortunately this "Quarterback" My excitement of the last 4 months since we drafted him has quickly turned into "oh poo, please just don't ruin his career before it's able to get off the ground and show him to be the player I know he can be"

For me it’s the small but dumb mistakes Not getting his other foot down, catching a 5 yard pass and then running back to the LOS to end up with a 1 yard gain. Its maddening to see an NFL WR make the mental mistakes he makes, and that’s before you get to his limitations as an actual pass catcher.

I’ll be honest, I was thinking we need to try and trade XL by the end of the game too. He just doesn’t “get it” and I’m not sure he will, he still has trade value right now before the rest of the league gets it, I wouldn’t be against exploring that option once Coker is back.