tukafan21

I'd say the exact opposite, they've shown me more than enough given their current contracts to say we shouldn't touch the position this offseason, and that every bit of cap room and draft capital we have should be spent on other positions that need upgrading. I'm not saying we're good with them for the next 5 years, but for next year, I'm good with those guys because of their contracts and all our other more dire needs.

I'd be shocked if we ever see another 5 man modern day HOF class if they continue with the new voting rules. It's the same reason I no longer think Smitty will ever make it, and the same goes for any other player that many view as a borderline candidate, just always going to be way many splitting of votes for those non 1st ballot guys, they may never get in. The 1st ballot and near 1st ballot guys will continue to get in, so someone like Kuechly is safe. But the guys who in the past would take 10 years to finally get in, they just will never have a fair shot again unless it's like Sharpe this past season and get put in by the veteran committee.

This is only the case for dumb people who try to compare modern day players to past generations in a vacuum and not smart enough to consider the evolving games. Real fans of the sports will understand you have to compare players statistics to those of their own generation, if they can't, then that's on them.

In what sense? If you're talking about the players who are currently in the HOF but wouldn't have gotten in under the new rules? Then off the top of my head, I'm not sure as I'm not looking at a list of guys who are in the HOF. But that doesn't matter, as I'm not even saying those players aren't worthy of being in the HOF. The NFL's HOF is done in a way that any player who actually has gotten in, 100% deserves to be so. The problem is that this new rule change will now keep deserving players out, not that it's stopping from undeserving players to get in. I don't remember the exact voting thresholds (and don't care enough to go look it up), but.... The new system is that they cut it down to 25 players like in the past. But previously, they then vote and the Top 5 make the HOF. Now, they vote on the Top 25, take the Top 7 of those votes and put them into a new vote, where they have to get something like 80% of the vote (don't know the exact number). I think there are something like 50 voters, which means any given player can only lose 10 votes. The problem is when you're deciding between all players who 100% should get into the HOF, unless there is collusion amongst the voters to make sure they all vote for the same people, you're always going to get just enough vote splitting to keep players from reaching that threshold. Which is why the sure fire first ballot types are really the only ones who are guaranteed to ever get in moving forward, because you're not going to get 10 people to not vote for a guy like Drew Brees this year. But you very well might get 10 people who leave Kuechly off for say Reggie Waye, just as you're then going to get 10 people who leave off Wayne to vote Kuechly, which keeps both out of the HOF in the end.

Anyone saying Eli shouldn't be a HOFer, then should be taking that same attitude towards Frank Gore's status. Frank Gore never made a single All Pro team and in 16 years he only made 5 Pro Bowls. He was never the best RB in the league, and there's a real likelihood (without going back through stats from all his seasons) that he was only even in the Top 5 of RBs in a given season one time in his entire career as he only has a single season of over 1,214 yards rushing, and he only reached double digit TDs in a season one time as well. But he's the 2nd leading rusher of all time because he played at an above average level for an entire healthy career, which more or less is what Eli did. Eli is 11th all time in both passing yards (was 9th when he retired) and passing TDs (was 10th when he retired). Eli won 2 SB's, one of which was beating what would have gone down as the best team in NFL history if Eli hadn't beat them. For me, they both belong in the HOF due to their stats accumulation after such long and healthy careers. But if you're going to say Eli shouldn't be in, then you HAVE to say Gore shouldn't be in, as if it's one or the other, it should be Eli getting in and not Gore due to his role in winning two SB's and his two SB MVPs.

5 players get voted in every year, in a league that has 8 non special teams position groups (7 if you group WRs and TEs together like with OL, DL, DB). Cutting it down to 7 players means all of those players are clearly worthy and should be HOFers. To then need to achieve a certain threshold of a re-vote amongst those 7 players is such an absurd idea. If this were the Basketball HOF, where players get in where you say "is that guy really a HOFer?" then I wouldn't have such an issue with it. But the NFL HOF is one where every year you have people saying they can't believe so and so wasn't voted in this year and nobody ever questions if a player who got in was actually worthy of the honor. There are lots of players in the HOF who wouldn't have gotten in with this voting method. That those are the people who were allowed to vote to make this change to now ensure players who are worthy of it will never get in, is just mind boggling. It's just ruined the appeal of the NFL HOF to me, which is sad, because it genuinely was the best HOF out there. It's not Basketball where you have unworthy players included, it's not Baseball where worthy players are excluded by holier than thou journalists who vote. It really was the most pure HOF, limits the number of players who can get in every year but never putting unworthy players into its hallowed halls.

Hot take... I'm completely over the HOF after last year's rule changes. That the players already in the hardest HOF to get into, decided they wanted to make it more exclusive now that they're already in, changing the rules that will keep out players more worthy of being in the HOF than some already in there, is just kinda gross to me. It's going to be very hard for players to get in with this new voting system unless they're the clear cut 1st ballot type of guys. Cutting it down to 7 candidates who all should be in and then needing them to get a certain amount of votes on a new round is just ridiculous. You're always going to get split voting amongst the non clear cut 1st ballot types, which is going to end up keeping players from reaching the threshold needed to get in. There is just no reason for it, and that it was a decision made by the people who already got in under the old system, many of whom would NOT get in with this new system that THEY implemented, just pisses me off and makes the HOF illegitimate moving forward in my eyes.

Throw Horn Jr back there with them and run a triple option run game.

My fandom all but gave up after Week 1 of Bryce's rookie year. I tried to get on board once we made the pick, but I felt my views of him were proven right really fast and it made the last 2 years near impossible for me to care about. Something seemed to bring me back in the fold this offseason though, can't quite put my finger on what it was though.

I mean, he knew Bryce would be back, he wasn't going to say "next year we still have to evaluate if he's our guy" There's just no way they can objectively look at him and say he's earned picking up the option year so far, that would be ridiculous to guarantee $27 million to a guy who is ranking last in the league in passing yards despite being 10th in attempts.

We might not have much of a choice. Josh Allen coming off back to back losses and sitting on that through the bye week, I'm not sure there's any defense in the league that is going to keep the Bills to under 30 points in this situation. It's one of those games where you hope you win the coin toss so you can actually elect to receive. Because if not, very good chance the score is going to be 7-0 before your offense takes the field. The funny thing is looking at the schedule before the season, the Bills should have beaten both the Patriots and Falcons and then spent their bye week looking past us and to the Chiefs the following week.

Win coin toss. Elect to receive. 30 minute opening drive for a score. Recover onside kick to open 2nd Half. 30 minute drive with kneel downs to end the game. Win.

[shows graphic of Baker, Darnold, Jones] Joe Buck, "if you're a fan of one of these teams, you're not going to like this" Well fug you Joe Buck, what if you're a fan of a team that had two of them at the same time and now are stuck with a middle school QB instead?

Back to back losses and the bye week to stew over it, I don't think there is any recipe to beat them this week. And that has basically nothing to do with my thoughts about the Panthers, I'd probably say the same thing if the Bills were playing any one of about 20-25 other teams this week in that scenario.

He's thrown 1,135 passes in the NFL, but here's him doing something in college as proof that he can do the thing he hasn't been able to do in those 1,135 passes yet.

lol nice timing, as I was literally just watching a replay of that play about 2 minutes ago. And I'll be honest, I still don't understand how he got a high ankle sprain from that one. I can see where his toe caught in the ground ever so slightly as he was getting stepped on, but I still don't see how it could have caused a high ankle sprain that would cause him to miss time. So I'll also just say it, if THAT is what causes him to get an injury like that and potentially miss time, it's not bad luck, it's because he's so small and easily injured.

That experience with him could also be why we'd never trade for him as well.

Trading for Wilson would be beyond dumb, and I'm not even talking about anything from a football standpoint. If there is one thing we've done really well this year, is that we've actually turned around the culture in the locker room. No matter what you think about the players or coaches in games, it's undeniable that this is the most up beat and cohesive locker room we've seen since the Cam days. You don't insert someone like Wilson into that. Someone who is more known for being disliked by his teammates than liked by them.

If the team was leaning towards picking up his option before this, then we need to fire everyone right now, not tomorrow, not after the season, but today. I don't care if you think he still has it in him to turn into a quality QB, that's a totally separate discussion to what he's actually done on the field. And he hasn't done a single thing on the field to warrant leaning in that direction yet. You don't pay $27 million dollars for that, it's just crazy. At best you can say he's done enough to warrant starting the rest of the season to make that determination, and even that I don't agree with, I think he's done enough to prove he's not the guy and the decision should already be made not to pick it up, even if you bring him back next year (which I also don't want to do but that's besides the point here).

I don't think people are saying we're 1 player away from being a contender. I do though think it's a very legitimate statement to say, "we're 1 player away from this team looking like they're moving in the right direction and have a chance to get into contention in the next few years" As I don't think we're 1 player away from contention, not even close, still need holes to fill (or young players to get better in the coming years) on defense before we can ever enter that conversation. But if we had a legitimate QB who could be our long term solution, I think we'd be passing the eye test of a team on the rise, not looking like we do now, and that's of a middling team who is squeaking by wins against some of the worst teams in the league.

This is the only correct answer when you have two RBs who are so similar. Realistically splitting RB carries only works when they're different enough that the swapping of them changes what the defense wants to do against them. Rico and Chuba are just too similar, neither are the quick twitch make you miss and run away from them type of RB. So when we sub them for each other, the defense doesn't need to make any personnel or scheme adjustments.

Sure, all fair points that can't be argued against. But not a single one of them changes his arm strength problem. And pointing to a Heisman trophy winner being able to throw the ball a max of 60 air yards in college, isn't exactly helping your case about him having average arm strength. He was college great and had college adequate arm strength, but that doesn't cut it in the NFL, not by a long shot.

But that's not what we're talking about, nor what you said earlier. You said he "has an average to below average arm strength" which in itself is an extremely disingenuous argument to make for a starting QB if in your head, you're comparing him to all draft eligible QB's (which even then, I'm still not sure it would be accurate anyways, but that's beyond the point). We're not talking about whether or not Bryce is good enough (or if just his arm is good enough) to be a backup or practice squad QB. We're discussing the merits of him being our starting QB of the future, so by nature, comparing him to anything other than the other starting QB's is just asinine. I'd bet my life savings, that if you ranked every QB over the last 5 years to attempt to make an NFL roster, Bryce would not crack the 80th percentile of arm strength, and that still might be generous of me to say he could be that high up the list. You keep pointing to him throwing the ball 50-60 yards in college. Well I hate to break it to you, but I'm not sure there is any starting QB in college who can't throw the ball that far when they have perfect balance and can step into a throw, that's basically the bare minimum requirement at that level. And I'm not saying this to say Bryce is the worst QB in the history of the game of football. He does have certain things that he does well, and I do think he'd be a more than serviceable backup and the type of guy who can bounce around year to year as a gap year starter at times. But objectively, he has one of the weakest arms of any starting QB in recent memory, that's not really debatable.

Also hard to throw INTs when most of your incompletions end up landing in the dirt before even reaching the WR or DB

And Joe Milton would be an MVP candidate this year, not the Cowboys backup QB. The argument is pretty simple, does Bryce have a strong enough arm to be a successful starting QB in this league. And the answer is even simpler... No. Anything else doesn't matter, he's just flat out proven that he can't make the minimum required throws at a high enough level to be even an average starting QB, let alone anything better than that.