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The problem is with how bad Bryce's rookie season looked, you literally can't bring in competition like those guys, particularly Fields or Howell as they both should start over Bryce. But given the trade and taking him #1, they're forced to go into this season with him as the undisputed starter and ride it out all year if he's healthy. Even if you said he was the starter and picked one of those two up, there's no way you could justify keeping them on the bench if/when Bryce sucks again. We can draft his replacement or go after a type of guy like that next offseason, but unless we straight up moved on from him and traded him, we're stuck with Bryce and have to put everything behind him as our guy this year. And if we end up with the #1 pick next year and there isn't a clear elite prospect, don't force the pick like we did with Bryce, either trade it or take an elite talent at another position. We're not 1 or 2 years away from being legit contenders unless Bryce pulls a miracle and becomes an above average QB immediately next year. Build this up the right way, not knee jerk reactions and reaches

What a weird trade, especially as he won't play in Pittsburgh unless Wilson gets injured I'd have just kept him if I were them, that's not worth it

The counterpoint is that Williams has outstanding hands and with his size, he would be able to make a lot of short contested catches for Bryce as well. But yes, his specialty is those big downfield plays, basically Bryce’s biggest weakness. That plus his injury history makes me not thrilled at the idea of giving him a multi year big cap hit contract. But he’s from South Carolina and went to Clemson, if he wants to come home on a cheap deal for a year, I won’t be upset at taking the chance. Just don’t sign him to a 3 year $45-50 million contract, which is what I’d figure he’ll end up getting from someone.

Not like Bryce has the arm to take advantage of what Williams can do downfield again, I think Williams is a beast, I just don’t think the contract it will take to sign him is worth the risk for where this franchise is right now. He’s a high risk, high reward signing, that’s what contending teams go after, not ones in our state of a rebuild.

Have to learn from Burns Pay him before the season starts and maybe even a slight overpay, as in 2 years it will be a bargain

The first was that Morgan apparently liked a post about going after Williams and the latest was that we're brining him in for a visit.

I've had him in fantasy for at least 3 of his seasons so far, maybe even a 4th, so I've tracked him week by week a lot. Elite talent and a super tough guy as he is able to gut it out and play even when injured, but far too often he ends up not being a useful player on the field because of it. If he was willing to sign a cheap 1 year prove it deal to try and bank in next season, then I'm all for signing him. But I have a feeling someone out there is going to offer a multi year deal at $10+ a season, actually thought he was going to go to KC before they went and got Hollywood, that would have been a great fit. I'd rather go after Gallup, who while he's also had similar injury issues as Williams, he'll probably come at half the price, thus making the risk far easier to swallow than what Williams could be, which is a an oft injured big cap hit.

The downside is we spend $10 million a year or more on a WR who can’t stay healthy I pointed it out in another thread the other day, you can’t look at his games played as an indicator of his health, as he’s long been unable to finish games and/or used as a decoy because he was banged up. Removing his rookie season and this past year when he got hurt in the 3rd game, he’s played about 75 career games and had 2 or fewer catches in I think it was 26 of them. And that’s because of how often he can’t finish games or because he was mostly used as a decoy. He’s a GREAT player when healthy, problem is he rarely is

Future picks are generally viewed at a value of 1 round worse than they actually are in trades, especially when the pick they’re getting is the 1st pick of the 2nd round nobody is making the trade right now, but I think that’s a very realistic trade after the 1st round is over as they’d be doing it to get a specific player they wanted and fell out of the 1st

Love knowing that we'll have almost 24 hours of teams to throw offers our way if a player they really want falls out of the 1st. At the same time, there are always players that fall out of the 1st who shouldn't have, and we have so many holes, have to think there will be someone there we really want. But if the right player falls out of the first and it's not someone we want/need, let's get some teams into a bidding war, I can see some teams putting out a great offer for it if they want to move up for a QB and don't want to get jumped. My ideal would be someone's 2024 2nd and 2025 1st for 33 and then depending how far that fall is in the 2nd, a 4th or 5th rounder. Maybe the Vikings or Raiders want to move up for a QB that fell out of the first, they sit at 42 and 44 in the 2nd. I'd give them 33 and say the 5th we got from the Burns trade for their 2nd and next year's 1st.

I know Allen has had some injury issues and is getting up there in age, but he’s still pretty darn good and they only got a 4th for him? That’s an odd one to me, feels like the Chargers got taken in that trade

Because they thought they were drafting an AJ clone with the pick they got for him Which if he panned out, actually would have been a really smart trade, it just didn't work out for them.

So, 3 of our signings last offseason Plus we won't bring back Chark, made a terrible trade for the #1 pick, made a terrible selection with that #1 pick, and fired the coach we hired. Last offseason is just looking better and better

Looking at his games played is not a good way of judging his health, as the Chargers have had a history in recent years of playing him while not fully healthy and using him mainly as decoy knowing he wasn't able to do what he normally does. He also has a history of being able to play in games but get pulled early because he gets banged up, but is able to get back out there the following week at less than 100%. Remove his rookie season where he was barely used and this past season when he got hurt in the 3rd game and he's played 75 career games, but has 26 games with 2 or less catches out of those 75 (the number goes way up if you use his rookie season where he barely played). And unlike someone like Jeudy who I was strongly against, who put up bad stat lines because he just isn't that good, most of those games where he only had 1 or 2 catches were because he was out there more as a decoy due to being banged up. He's someone who if we were a contending team, yea, I'd be all for throwing a sizable contract at him and hoping he can stay healthy and put us over the top. But since we're not, the contract it will take to sign him is too big of a risk for a team that needs to use it's money to build a base, not find a final piece to the puzzle. He's a great player when healthy, and kudos to him for being a tough guy who can at least suit up when he's banged up, but he's just an injury prone player.

Would LOVE to get him, but only if on a very reasonable deal, which probably wouldn’t happen as he’d sign with a contender if not going for the highest bidder. Elite talent, but can’t stay healthy

He's awful and not our long term solution, the longer you stick your head in the sand about it, the harder it's going to be for you to enjoy Panthers football anyways, as you're just going to get your hopes up to get crushed. It's also not a narrative, it's what we all saw with our own eyes on the field, the kid doesn't have any NFL level physical traits

He was unhappy on a team that had QB's at least good enough to get them to the playoffs in 3 of his 5 years and had a worst record of 8-8 in that timeframe. If he was unhappy with that, what in the world makes you think he'll be happier by going to a team with the worst QB in the league with a worse arm than any QB he had in Pittsburgh?

My issue with the trade has 0% to do with Johnson the player or what kind of contract he might want It's that he's made it known he has been unhappy with the Steelers QB play the last few years and I can't see him going from that to Bryce and then wanting to re-sign with us next offseason. I like this trade, but I also wanted to find a more long term WR solution this year, which we now won't be able to unless we get lucky and hit a home run in the draft.

Oh, absolutely, and that's why I do love the trade as well, it's a no risk move at this moment. The risk is that it means we go another offseason without doing anything about our long term WR situation if he decides he wants to play with a real QB after this season. And given his displeasure with the Steelers QB situation the last few years, I struggle to see how he's going to play with Bryce this year and then say "yea, I want to sign up for another few years of that" Think it's one of those trades that I'll just be both happy and concerned with in the end.

I'm a little torn on this move On one hand, I love the trade in a vacuum, we definitely won the trade and fill a big hole with a good player. On the other hand, he only has this season left on his contract and has been pretty vocal about his displeasure with his QB play the last few years. If he has a solid season but Bryce still struggles, I could see him refuse to sign an extension and put us right back into the same situation next year of needing a WR and/or dealing with a franchise tag mess. Was really hoping we'd be able to lock up a #1 WR for the next 3-5 years somehow this offseason, but I guess if we couldn't do that, this is the next best option, right?

Seriously, can the mods just block him from creating threads if he reuses to post tweets correctly? Most pointless posts ever

We have by far the worst roster in the NFL, outside of Brown, we don't have any difference makers on the entire roster at the moment, maybe Horn if he can stay healthy. Which means we'll be easily the worst predicted record by every expert Which in turn means we'll of course finish with like 5 or 6 wins and end up around pick 7 or so, because that's just what happens every year lately with the "worst team in the NFL" predictions.

Agreed The CMC trade never made sense, the injury fear was never warranted as his injuries were freak things, not the type that you pick up due to wear and tear and being injury prone. Plus in both years he would have come back in the last season games if they mattered, but we shut him down to not risk injury. Then even on top of all that we never got fair compensation back for a player of his caliber, it was just a terrible trade that we've somehow replicated two more times since then.

I wasn't the one comparing it to Mack, just saw your post and said they were bad comparisons, and if those got 2nd rounders for them, we should have gotten more. I'm also not going to go and research past tagged and traded players, it doesn't change that we didn't get enough back for him.

I haven't looked at the Center projections for this year, but unless one falls to 33 that you just can't pass up, under no circumstances can that be the order we make those picks. SOMEONE will fall out of the First round unexpectedly Unless there is someone there that we badly want, with the 2nd round the next day, there is plenty of time to shop the pick for someone who badly wants a player who fell out of the 1st. If it's a team not too far behind us, we can pick up an extra mid round pick, if it's a team at the back end of the round, we might be able to get a 2025 1st out of the deal. If we stay put at 33 and take a Center that didn't unexpectedly fall out of the 1st, it will be a failure of epic proportions