tukafan21

I’ll take it, first road game of the year, first “Big 12” game even though it’s considered non conference and only down 7 despite all the mistakes. We can win this game, just feed T-Mac and good things will happen

No he’s actually real good, just made a bad decision or two tonight so far, all QB’s do. He was the national freshman of the year last year and would have been a Heisman candidate if he had started from game 1, didn’t take over until game 4 I think

The difference is that it also works in college, it just doesn’t in the NFL lol Love Fifita, but he’s not going to be an NFL QB, even if he does end up as a Heisman candidate for the next few years

Because then he’s going into his 2nd season and no longer a rookie when you use the 1st rounder on a QB in what should be a very good QB class and have an elite pairing for the next decade and a nice SB window with them on rookie deals too.

I started a thread saying last November that he needed to be our pick in 25 lol We have had a bunch of good players at Arizona since I went there, lots that I thought would be good NFL players, some panned out and others didn’t. But there have only been 2 that I felt were can’t miss stars that will be many times over pro bowl type of players. Gronkowski and T-Mac

Even the best defense in this league isn’t contending if the offense is utter garbage. I honestly think T-Mac has top 5 WR type of potential, that’s not something you pass up when you get the chance to get, especially when we’re so weak at the position.

Evans is 20 lbs heavier, that’s why to me I’ve always seen AJ Green in him

We still can’t find that #1 WR, taking him would solve that for the next decade. I pray they seriously consider it, I’d honestly lose my mind if we took him, would be crazy for me

I’m telling you, he’s got it all, sure Hunter and Burden are a tad faster/quicker, but that’s to be expected with the size difference. There aren’t many 6’5” WRs with his speed and agility. And just look how they keep running a safety over there, even if he’s not doing anything because of it, he’s giving us an advantage. He’s my #1 want next year, if we get the first pick and nobody will trade with us, I’m still taking him (and only a slight bias in that, he’s just that good)

Yesirrrrr T-Mac either making plays or drawing double coverage totally away from the play and giving us numbers to take advantage

T-Mac's tape >>>>>>> Hunter's WR tape, it's really not even close if you're only looking at Hutner's offensive side of the ball Hunter has 92 rec for 1,153 yards, and 12 TDs in his entire career... T-Mac had 90 for 1,402, and 10 just last season alone... with tape that's littered with highlight reel catch after highlight reel catch. Hunter is a better CB prospect than a WR (and even then, when they played last season, Hunter covered T-Mac and he got torched for 9 rec, 107 yards, and a TD by T-Mac And saying "tall and fast WRs are in every draft" is just stupid... there are more short/fast WRs in a draft than tall/fast. Plus, his hands, catch radius, and ability to "moss" DB's are his best attributes, not his speed. Which again isn't a knock on his speed, but he's not a Quentin Johnston last draft where he's just a big speedster with nothing else and is already looking like a bust.

Yep, everyone knew it except the people who purposefully didn't want to see it. It's also the reason why when everyone says, "stop blaming Bryce, he didn't ask for this", I say that's a bullshit response as he 100% gamed his way into being the #1 pick with this. If he did the drills at the combine next to the other QB's and/or weighed in at his Pro Day significantly lighter than at the combine, then he'd have exposed his major weaknesses that he and his team knew he had, and thus wouldn't have gone #1. So yes, in the end, he did ask for this as he did everything he could to get selected #1, which you can't blame him for doing so, but because of it, it eliminates people's ability to say, "he didn't ask for this" anymore.

oh, I did think it was pretty funny to see a mock the other day that had T-Mac going #2, after Hunter going #1, to the Panthers, but as a CB, LOL. But then the entire mock lost it's credibility when it had Sheduer going like #5 and the first QB off the board, haha T-Mac's size is why he's the pick over either Hunter or Burden. If he was just a slow plodding big WR, then I could see the argument for the other two over him, but he's not, he has speed and quickness that you don't often see in players who are also 6'5". It's a dangerous combo that is going to allow him to dominate the league for years

That's fine, but just don't pretend a player having the literal worst game of their career means they're no longer an elite prospect, it happens to everyone (hell, look at Marvin Harrison's first game in the league last weekend, guy had 1 catch for 4 yards, but nobody is going to say he's not a future all pro anymore because of it). Especially in a game where the entire team looked awful, that game was on the coaches. It's clear the team wasn't motivated, they looked at the game as a bye and many players were kept out of the game with minor injuries that they'd have played through if it was a tough game. We have a HUGE game tomorrow against Kansas State, which is still a non conference game since it was set up years ago before we agreed to move to the Big 12. Think the team was just looking ahead to this big matchup and it screwed them all up.

Hey, I’m on board starting Bruce through next year to protect the draft pick. But if things stay like they did in week 1, that just won’t be possible and they’ll have to replace him next year with someone and I’d rather that be a gap starter than blow another 1st round pick in a year with no elite qb prospects Look at the Patriots who are playing their gap starter even with the new guy already on the team and they’re going to be terrible. if we go with a Brissett type of guy next year, with the roster we have, we’re not winning many games anyways

Oh my god, a player universally expected to be a first round d and likely top 15 pick at worst next year had a horrible game the same day his entire team played terribly, take him off draft boards, his career is finished, he’s garbage

As an Arizona alum who has watched all his games, I've always seen AJ Green when I watch him play, also a more similar slimmer body type than the thicker Evans Most of the draft profile comps I've seen have been Mike Evans though, so what do I know, lol

Trade down to collect picks but stay inside the Top 10 to be able to grab Tetairoa McMillan My literal dream scenario, he's going to be a STUD in this league, I'd be ordering that authentic jersey so fast

If we're replacing Bryce next year, it needs to be with a gap starter FA, not a first round rookie This team has WAY too many holes right now, even if we are successful in drafting a rookie QB (which is less likely in a class that isn't supposed to be great to begin with), by the time we build a decent team around them, we'll need to sign them to a massive extension and lose out on the best SB opportunity. We'd be putting yet another rookie QB in a position where they can't succeed. Need to stop looking for the quick and immediate fix and build things up the right way, we need more quality pieces on this roster. If we end up at #1, you trade back, compile assets, and start doing things the right way for a change. It's not going to be fun during the early years of it all, but the team has tried to just skip that step of a rebuild and every year they keep trying to skip it, it just delays success even further down the line. We still haven't even started that process as we did the opposite with the trade up to get Bryce, we gave away our assets for the worst QB in the league and we're still down what is looking like the #33 pick in the draft next year. Tepper didn't start his finance business and immediately start making billions. He had to build it up from the bottom, it took him years to do it, this is no difference except he thinks he can skip those early years for some stupid reason.

No, because if he goes in as a DB there is no way to predict the team needs at the top of the draft. Hunter will be drafted AFTER both T-Mac and Burden if he goes into the NFL as a WR, that's the bet, take it or leave it. (and if/when you leave it, don't forget that YOU were the person last week saying he would be drafted ahead of them even if he went in as a WR only) That was literally the whole debate last weekend, who was the better WR prospect

If we get #1, you trade it 100% unless one of the non QB's looks like a truly generational talent who every expert says is all but a sure fire future HOFer

So you wanted to make a bet on players of possibly a different position before the season even started, let alone knowing the draft order and team needs?!?! That's just ridiculous Hunter is a unicorn in college, no doubt about it, and it makes him a better Heisman candidate. But it doesn't any bearing on his NFL draft prospects at only one of the two positions, NFL teams don't care about your DB ability if you aren't going to play the position in the NFL.

I said it in the very first response to you when you said that. You can't compare his draft slot to T-Mac and Burden if he goes into the league as a DB when the debate is about who will be first WR drafted, LOL If Hunter goes in as a WR only, he will 100% be drafted after both of them (again, as long as they play out the year and go into the draft healthy of course, that's a factor for any draftable player). If he goes in as a DB or for some crazy reason a two way player, then there isn't anything to even discuss, as it comes down to team need

Yes and no If we didn't trade for Bryce, we don't end up with the #1 pick and able to take Caleb. With a serviceable QB last year, we probably end up in the 8-10 range of the draft Trading up screws you even more, but missing on a Top 10-15 QB sets you back years no matter what (well, unless you're like the 49ers who missed because of a trade up when you already had an elite team put together of course). And if you're saying if we ended up with the #1 pick originally and took Bryce, then yea, we could have replaced him with Caleb. Which would be a VERY rare circumstance to where that miss was SOOOOO bad, that it immediately set you up to replace him. There's a reason I left Sam Rosen off that list, like I said, it sets you back unless you luck into a good situation like they did with Kyler that next year. I'd rather do things the right way instead of hoping we luck into a better situation.