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I mean, yea, it might have been "free money" but you still threw it away, could have put it on something that has even a realistic shot at winning, which this doesn't. I'm not even sure I'd bet on us to NOT finish in last place, let alone win the division.

Has nothing to do with the pick, but the mental stability player they got in return. There's a reason the Bills made this move, teams in a legit SB window don't just trade away their best non QB for the heck of it. He's the biggest diva WR in the league right now, not sure that's the best thing for the development of a young QB, especially when they already had a few really good WRs on the team as is. I fully get that they're going for it while on Stroud's rookie deal, which is why I can't blame them for making the move, but I think it's very much a 50/50 coin flip as to if this one backfires on them.

I'm not really sure this was a great move by the Texans With Dell, Collins, and Shultz, they weren't exactly lacking weapons for Stroud in the passing game. Now you go out and give up a 2nd rounder to get the guy who is probably the biggest diva in the league right now, the guy who throws fits when you don't get him the ball enough to his liking. There is a 50/50 shot this backfires on them and ends up stunting Stroud's growth when he feels the need to keep forcing it to Diggs to keep him from going nuts. Which in turn could then stunt Dell's growth as well.

Is it all fun and games?

Dead serious, had zero idea there was a college basketball forum/thread on here. I don't venture outside the Panthers forum on this site as that's what I have bookmarked and go directly into when I come here.

Meh It's the offseason anyways, and to be honest, I have the Panthers section as my bookmark and I've literally never ventured into any of the other forums on here. Also, you posted this like an hour after a mod already moved it out of the Panthers forum and into whatever one it's now in? Little odd lol

Sure, fair points and it's why you always see conference upsets that technically shouldn't have happened, because of how well they know each other. But still, all things considered, even with Clemson's knowledge of UNC, I can't see how any fans would rather play a more inconsistent team that has a significantly lower ceiling than the more consistent team whose ceiling is literally the best team in the nation. Boswell is the real key to our team, if he plays well, we are on equal footing with the UConn, Houston, and Purdue's of the world. If we didn't over celebrate winning the Pac 12 on our LA road trip after beating UCLA and clearly had a post-celebration hangover for the USC game, we'd have been the 1 seed in the West.

I know we could lose to Clemson, of course, but I also did hear that the UNC boards last night were talking about how they were more afraid of a Clemson matchup than one with Arizona. Which, c'mon now, is just asinine, we've been a Top 10 team all year and have a loaded roster. I'm not looking past Clemson, but UNC fans really shouldn't be hoping for an Arizona matchup over a Clemson one unless they just want to play against Love for the joy of either beating him or being able to root for him in the FF if we were to beat you guys.

I'd love it if we end up playing, for Hubert to get into his own head about Love and get too concerned over how to defend him. We have a deep team of talented players, put too much effort into shutting Love down and not enough focus on the rest of our team and we'll make you pay. Sure, Love is our best player, he was the conference player of the year, but ignore Ballo, Larsson, Boswell, and Bradley at your own peril, as if we didn't have Love, one of them (likely Ballo) would have ended up scoring more this year and won the award themselves.

And this is why I started this thread today instead of waiting to see if we both make it to the E8 I think this one is all in good fun, because as far as I'm aware, there isn't any bad blood between UNC fans and Caleb, especially after all the great memories he gave you guys, particularly against Duke. I'm also pretty sure you guys loved (no pun intended?) him going back into "Caleb Indoor Stadium" early this year and beat them again in HIS house, lol Sure, maybe I'd prefer to play Alabama if we beat Clemson, especially as we already beat them by double digits in a neutral site game this year. But a big part of me would rather play UNC, even though they're the 1 seed, because that game could be a lot of fun (plus it could bring out the dangerous version of Love, which if it happens, I honestly and objectively think we win that game).

Nah, I'm not looking past Clemson and I'm not putting UNC into the Elite 8 over Alabama yet either. Just thought it would be fun to start this thread early in the week to have a good time with it. I have to imagine I'm the only Wildcat on these boards and there are a lot of Tar Heels. The funny thing is that I have a Clemson connection too. I was very close to going to school there and thought I was for about a year, but ended up not of course.

Was talking about this with someone on our Arizona boards who lives in NC, a UNC friend of his said the same thing to him. The funny thing is that I agree, even though Caleb has completely changed his game this year. I know he had the tendency to try to play hero ball in UNC and would become a black hole at times and shoot them out of games, but he really has not done that at all this year. Sure, there's been a few times he's taken bad shots that he shouldn't have, but he hasn't done it for full games and cost us losses. He's done an amazing job at playing within himself and the offense, and it lead to him being a 2nd team All American and Pac 12 Player of the Year. Don't get me wrong, he's had some bad games and bad shooting games (especially of late, the last 5 games his 3 point shot has been woefully off for some reason), but he's never had any games with more than 1 or 2 shots that he shouldn't have even considered to where he was the reason we lost. Having said that... I agree, if Arizona-UNC end up playing Saturday, he's either going off for a monster game or I think he'll struggle to not try and be THAT guy to beat his old team and end up shooting us into a loss for the first time this year.

Have mentioned it before here, but I'm an Arizona alum. Gotta imagine there are quite a bit of UNC fans around these parts. You're really going to miss Caleb Love when he dominates you guys on our way to the Final Four! Bear Down Arizona!

Alex, I'll take, "What are things we heard for 2 years about Burns for $1,000 please"

hmmm, that's interesting, wouldn't have guessed that. The one thing I'd point out is that it does say "during" the football season, which makes sense given how often they have to be there. But it is only 4 months out of the year, maybe they live in NYC the rest of the year, dunno

My "what do you do if you win the lottery" is a super easy one. I move to Tucson into a house on a golf course, and the day I get into town, I walk into the Arizona athletic department and ask how much money I have to donate to get courtside seats for life and I cut them a check.

I'll bet more Giants/Jets players live in Manhattan than you'd think Remember, most of these guys live well beyond their means, even for how much money they make. It's why so many professional athletes go broke not too long after they retire. The players with families, yea, they live out in the NJ suburbs, but the single ones who like to live it up and party, I'll bet they live in NYC proper

I'd move to Bozeman, Montana before NYC But I also just can't stand NYC, it's way too busy and loud, just not my kind of city (and I'm no country bumpkin, just hate the craziness that is NYC). But in regards to Williams himself, I'm glad we didn't match that contract, as I said numerous times before he signed anywhere, his style of game, combined with injury risk and contract demands, just aren't a good fit for where we are as a franchise right now. Like I said a week ago, if we was willing to take a cheap 7-10 million deal to come here for a year, then yea, it was probably worth it, but not at $15 million, it could be used much better elsewhere, or even not at all and roll it over into next year's cap.

I don’t consider QB’s to be “weapons” in that sense Basically I mean that in regards to non QB’s, as in the “weapons at a QB’s disposal” I think there is an argument to be made for Tyreek there, but CMC’s versatility gives him the edge in my book

CMC isn't any other elite RB, he's the best weapon in the NFL, there's a reason he won offensive player of the year. I'd bet at least a dozen teams would be willing to give up their 1st round pick for him, especially if it was the same contract situation at the time of the trade, as we had to take the hit on his signing bonus that we already paid out, there was not much guaranteed money (if any) left on CMC's deal when the 49ers took him on. It was a TERRIBLE trade, no if's, and's, or but's about it

We got market value because they only looked at it as the numbers standpoint from the draft chart, but half those picks were never going to pan out, and the best pick was at the end of the 2nd round Never should have traded CMC for anything less than a 1st, he’s the best weapon in football. Mid to late round draft picks isn’t going to replace that, we needed 1 impact player in return if we were going to trade him at all (which we shouldn’t have).

Unless you can land a legit difference making TE, it's not a good position to spend decent FA money on or you end up with situations just like Hurst

The problem is with how bad Bryce's rookie season looked, you literally can't bring in competition like those guys, particularly Fields or Howell as they both should start over Bryce. But given the trade and taking him #1, they're forced to go into this season with him as the undisputed starter and ride it out all year if he's healthy. Even if you said he was the starter and picked one of those two up, there's no way you could justify keeping them on the bench if/when Bryce sucks again. We can draft his replacement or go after a type of guy like that next offseason, but unless we straight up moved on from him and traded him, we're stuck with Bryce and have to put everything behind him as our guy this year. And if we end up with the #1 pick next year and there isn't a clear elite prospect, don't force the pick like we did with Bryce, either trade it or take an elite talent at another position. We're not 1 or 2 years away from being legit contenders unless Bryce pulls a miracle and becomes an above average QB immediately next year. Build this up the right way, not knee jerk reactions and reaches

What a weird trade, especially as he won't play in Pittsburgh unless Wilson gets injured I'd have just kept him if I were them, that's not worth it