tukafan21

To everyone who spent the last 4 months screaming to not take T-Mac because what we really needed was a quick twitch slot WR and not a big outside guy........ Did we end up getting both in this draft? I kept saying those wanting that quick shifty slot WR weren't wrong, we did need one, but we also needed that true outside #1, and I explicitly kept saying to take T-Mac in the 1st, then use the next few picks on defense while taking that mid-late round pick on the shifty slot WR as they're easier to find there. T-Mac, XL, Coker, Horn Jr could make for a damn good Top 4 WR room if they pan out, although if they do, we won't be able to keep all 4 of them on a 2nd contract, but those are good problems to have.

I said it a million times leading up to the draft, Walker never made any sense to me. He's a 4-3 OLB who plays mostly off ball but can be used as a situational pass rusher. If you're taking an OLB when you run a 3-4, they need to be more of a full time pass rusher who has the ability to set the edge and also play DE when you switch up to a 4-3 alignment. That's just not Walker, he very well may be a great player in the end, but you don't take a 4-3 OLB at #8 when you run a 3-4, square peg meet round hole.

I think the whole escort thing is a bit out of hand, seems kinda clear to me that it was one of those sugar daddy type of deals that likely just went on for too long and they developed "feelings" for each other and turned it into a weird relationship.

No, the casual fan gets sucked into THIS^^^ kind of thinking, and it's so woefully incorrect that it's almost sad. The first is what I've said numerous times, NOTHING about non guaranteed contracts save the billionaire owners a single penny, because they still have to spend their cap floor, and the only reason teams ever don't spend the full limit, is to then roll it over into the next season to be able to spend more that year. But in the end, owners pay the same amount of money no matter what. The reverse is also the same, that the players in totality make the same amount of money as well, because in your example of Clowney not getting that money this year, it will go to another player, as the cap needs to be spent. And you say how we just cut Clowney after we gave him the 2 year contract, but everyone including Clowney's agent and himself, knew when it was signed, that it was more likely to be a 1 year contract than a 2 with how it was structured. The 2nd year was just to be able to spread out the cap hit and he was always most likely going to end up getting traded or cut. It's why agents and players don't care about the total money in a contract, it's always and only been about the guaranteed money, as the years and overall value are meaningless, always have been, always will be.

Agents will have their 1st round picks hold out until the pay structure of their contract is to their liking, not how much money they'll get or even how much is guaranteed, just the when/how they will get the money over the course of the contract. If they're willing to recommend those players hold our, do you really think they won't do it for 2nd rounders to guarantee them an extra 10% of their entire rookie contract?

I'd always said I didn't want to see 58 worn again, but I'd also never seen this idea brought up before, but now that I have, I freaking love it. TD is the ultimate representation of Keep Pounding, dude's career should have been over after the knee injuries and then he goes on to become a franchise legend. Let's make 58 a LB only number that needs TD's approval for who can wear it and turn it into a LB tradition here, would be really cool and in a way more fitting of what TD meant to the franchise than retiring it.

The funny thing is I was a HUGE T-Mac fan back in the day, he was my favorite player for a long time. Have a few pair of his shoes, his jersey, even made a really cool school around him too. Guess I was just always destined to be a T-Mac fan lol

Yes, for a single person, but this isn't just selling tickets on the trip they put on, you buy the full trip and pay for however many people you're bringing with you up to 18 (I'm sure there's a minimum for 10-12 people too). So even if you get a group of 15 guys together to do it, you could do the trip for less than $150k but without the access to players.

lol no the other way around He’s saying if someone were to buy this package, they’re paying half of what it would cost them to do it on their own. So I’m saying that can’t be the case, as there’s no way the person providing it can make money if it costs them twice the amount to put this on for them, they’re in it to make money, not give a fan experience on the cheap. This isn’t a huge operation that has major discounts due to bulk private flights and 5 star hotels/restaraunts around the country to where they can do this at a cheaper price than it would cost to do on your own. You’re paying more for the access to players and not having to work out the logistics on your own, not less, that’s crazy talk.

If the whole league doesn't do it, it creates more of a problem, because there is no way some other's won't follow suit. Once a handful of teams start to do it, all agents are going to start demanding it and we're going to see more 2nd round holdouts than ever, and they rarely did before this.

Again, it's not about billionaires coughing up their money, guaranteed contracts wouldn't cots a penny more out of the owners pockets as teams have to spend their cap room every season. The only times they don't spend it all, it's to roll it over into the next year to spend more than the cap, so they're still spending the same amount of money in the end. Fully guaranteed contracts for all players wouldn't work in the NFL Not having them actually works to the benefit of both teams and players, as it's how teams manage the cap and it allows players to get to re-negotiate new guaranteed money faster. Plus, with how often those role players get churned through because they show flashes but don't pan out, would really limit how much teams would be willing to spend on them and give more than 1 or 2 year contracts. It would create even more of an unbalanced pay structure to where the stars would make even more of a percentage of the cap than they already do.

There's no way you're paying half the cost of doing it on your own, as it wouldn't be a profitable business. They're not doing this out of the goodness of their heart to give fans a cool thing on the cheap, they're making money on it, so it can't cost more to do on your own outside of getting access to the players.

It's not jealousy and I don't care one way or another if players have guaranteed deals or not. But when one team starts doing something like this, it can mess with the rest of the league for a few years until things settle down, so it can affect us, which I do care about, that's all

I think GM's are more upset than owners Owners spend the same amount of money every year as it's a hard cap with a floor minimum too. It doesn't really change anything for them (other than possibly make things more difficult on the team in general). But it's the GM's who need to negotiate these contracts who are really going to be pissed, if you're a skill position player that goes in the 2nd round now, you're going to be asking for this, and the higher you're drafted and/or the more unexpected it was for you to not go in the 1st, the stronger your case will be to insist on it.

It says $10k per person for up to 18 people (and I'm guessing there has to be some minimum number of people too or it wouldn't be profitable) So I just went with a 15 people

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/45057900/texans-jayden-higgins-makes-history-fully-guaranteed-deal Seriously? Giving a fully guaranteed contract to a 2nd rounder?!?! They just made rookie contract negotiations with non 1st rounders so much more difficult as they're all going to be trying to get that moving forward now. It's been so nice since the rookie scale was instituted with so few players ever holding out, this feels like it could change things, especially for high 2nd round picks who are going to start asking for this immediately.

If people have an expendable $150k to spend on something like this, then they likely have ways of being around former (or current) players anyways. Plus they also then already have the means to make a trip to games like this while being on their own schedule/agenda as well. Just can't see what the appeal of something like this is for those type of people. Yea, us regular Joe Schmo fans would love a tripe like that, but we don't have the expendable income to do it.

It will also mean that he's basically only played one season of football since HS too. Which, if he can get healthy and become the player we expected him to be, will extend his shelf life as a RB as he basically will have only played 1 season out of the last 5, so minimal wear and tear on the rest of his body if his knee can hold up.

lol that's two responses like this, but like I've now said a couple times, I wasn't asking that, I was asking why does putting him on the PUP list "officially end his season" when so many players coming off injuries start camp on the PUP list and are able to come off later. So not asking why we'd shut him down for the season, I get that, asking the general question of why he wouldn't be able to come off the PUP list later, what makes his PUP listing different than others.

Yea, I'm not questioning why they are doing it, that I totally get and agree with. I was asking why does putting him on the PUP list now, mean his season is over. As I thought players often start camp on the PUP list when they are rehabbing an injury, but they're allowed to come off of it later.

Love this because it eliminates any chance of rushing him back too soon, let him fully rest up and hopefully we have a diamond in the rough being added to the 2026 team. My one question is why does this mean he'll miss the full season already though? I thought players get put on the PUP list going into camp all the time without it officially ending their season, why is this different?

I like this because it means one or both of the rookies will be thrust into a bigger role right away and we can see what they might be. I don't like this because it just makes our team that much younger and inexperienced. You need vets to help the young guys learn, I just hope we aren't going too far in the opposite direction. All our FA signings were guys just coming off their rookie deals too, I get why we're doing it, but having the savvy vets help in other ways too.

I've seen a bunch of early mocks that don't have him going and also seen it mentioned how some people think he won't come out next year, as both Peyton and Eli stayed 4 years in school, they think Arch could in the end as well.

Wait a second.... You're saying I could have sued the Panthers for $100 million for my emotional distress if they passed on T-Mac in the draft? Well poo... love having my guy on our team, but I'd rather have the money, can we go back and not take him?

lol Honestly, it might sound dumb, but I've had this idea in my head of a specific picture I really want to get with him since draft night. Basically I want it to be of the two of us sitting on the floor next to each other with the picture from behind. Ideally it would have been with us both wearing T-Mac jerseys (and me wearing an Arizona hat that has block A logo on the back of it too), but since they won't have baby versions of those for a bit and that does seem like a waste of money on something he'll grow out of in a few months, I think I'll go with this that I've found on Amazon for like 12 bucks........ I'll get this made with T-Mac's #4 but then my Nephew's first name (which incidentally starts with a T, so I've already joked to my sister that she needs to change his middle name to something with "Mc" or "Mac" in it so i can call him T-Mac lol) Just think that would make for a really cool picture for me to have of him at this age (just over 13 months now), with the two of us wearing our #4's. It's the type of thing I can absolutely see myself getting it printed out by Shutterfly on one of those canvas like prints to hang on my wall. And seeing as they live in NYC with me in Michigan, not sure the next time I'll see him again as I can't just drive on down the street for a picture when the jersey arrives, so was hoping I'd be able to take advantage of seeing them at the end of the month to get this picture, but it would all be dependent on the jersey (and this custom onesie) being shipped in time.