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From where the OL’s blue stripe is and Allen having the ball in his left arm (can see that from the other side), he looks like he got to the line. Also, Kincaid caught the ball and fell on the line. Looked like he almost got there or did get there but look at the blue line of scrimmage. Had they not spotted Kincaid way shorter, Allen makes it easily. Huge play that the refs gave to KC by spotting it short and then going to replay. Basically means there has to be indisputable evidence to overturn. Two straight poor spots and they get shafted IMHO. If KC wins, it’ll be because of those two spots both clearly benefiting KC.

He did. The ref on the side where you could see the ball in Josh’s left arm came in and spotted it at the line. The other ref came in short. That was legitimately a game altering call and the refs pulled a Cotchery on it. Sucks but the refs have too much pull in these games. Put a chip in the ball or use AI to determine the exact spot. The refs have been spotting the ball short for the Bills on multiple plays.

I think it’s BPA at that point. If TMac is available at 8, it means all the top D guys are gone and we’d be reaching. Assuming, two QBs, if TMac is there at 8, it probably means Hunter, Graham, Johnson, Carter and even Walker are gone. The last thing we can do as a team is reach. We don’t have the talent to do it again. Take TMac so that our WRs aren’t crap if Thielen retires. If Thielen is gone this year or next, the offense will be right back to meh. Coker, XL and Sanders isn’t scaring anyone.

Ok? What does that mean? Our defense is pretty similar to those Detroit teams, they both sucked. Jerry Rice wouldn’t have done any better in Detroit yet he has a few rings because he was on a better team. Again, WTF does Calvin Johnson’s team have to do with comparing TMac with him?

Yeah, this I can see and I’d love him at 8 if he could be Mike Evans. He’d have to run sub 4.4 to be compared to Calvin.

He’s not the next Calvin if he doesn’t have track speed. Calvin Johnson was huge but he ran a 4.35 at the combine. That’s disgustingly fast for his size. It doesn’t sound like TMac is close to that speed. If we get him, I hope he’s an all-pro but CJ was in another world physically.

He will never be a great pick. We lost 2 of 4 years already and Hubbard is now under contract for the last two years. The 2025 RB draft class is super deep and day 3 of the 2024 draft had several solid rookies. There’s literally no way he can be a great pick. The huddle liked the Cs and CBs and Sainristill and Frazier were the guys we discussed taking as the next guys up where we took Brooks. We’re likely taking another RB in the draft this year as well because we have to now.

There are 60+ guys who were seen by some teams as a 1st rounder before the draft process starts. Greg Little was a top 15 pick before the combine. Malik Willis and Matt Corral and Levis were all seen as 1st rounders at some point early in the draft process. Unfortunately, we got spooked by the Cowboys maybe wanting Brooks and took him way too early. Hurney did the same with Little and grabbed the falling sword when Little had been dropped from most top 50 lists. Fitterer jumps on TMJ thinking the Saints will nab him. Fitterer said we considered Corral a potential 1st rounder too. We were the only ones thinking Brooks was worth the risk and as usual we were wrong. Brooks was never healthy during any of the real draft process so your oh he was ranked a first rounder when healthy by others is just comfort food for our mistake. We were likely the only team that thought anything like that since it’s our history and he wasn’t. If he went in this draft with an ACL, he makes it to the 4th. We fell on the sword and now the deep 2025 RB class will all have a year of experience in the NFL before Brooks and still not be close to his injury risk. Someone in here said we probably don’t need him in 2026, so we’ve got folks already thinking we might get 1 year out of a 2nd round pick.

If the WRs don’t test amazingly, Walker could also be gone. It wouldn’t surprise me at all if it’s all defense and 2 QBs before we pick. I really hope there’s one or more teams that surprise everyone. Based on our luck of being one extra win away from a super stud (Herbert, Sewell/SF trading us 3 1sts, etc.), it really won’t surprise me. We’ve done some stupid stuff but we also don’t seem to have the oh look Jayden Daniels is a stud type of luck either. Charlotte is the hey we almost got Wemby type luck.

Yep. Remember how we liked every QB prospect, just depended on whose article you read. That went for the 2022 draft and the 2023 draft. That said, we might let out some hints to reporters about the guys who aren’t in the Hunter, Johnson, Graham and Carter group that are likely all gone before we pick. Kind of an it’s ok that we didn’t get Carter because we liked Walker just as much. Soften the blow of dropping to pick 8.

Brooks wasn’t a first rounder and the ACL was too risky considering the 2025 RB class was loaded and there were several day 3 guys in the draft that looked like a great compliment. I agree that it was dumb to risk it but his ACL was likely to tear and it would have sucked more if it happened week 1 2025. That said you should have an issue with drafting him in round 2 if you thought he shouldn’t play in 2024. If he’s not going to play then you have to compare him to the 2025 RB draft class and with the talent and depth, Brooks wasn’t likely a 3rd or more likely a 4th based on injury risk in 2025.

We’ve done such a poo job bringing on draft talent for years now. “Doing their best” has been terrible and we continue to take risky, old and raw talent and it’s not working. It amazes me when people are happy with the results and defend the team with every move. Morgan needs to knock this draft out of the park or we’ll continue to win participation trophies.

It is, which is why you don’t double down on a risky gamble.

How good he looked? 22 yards on 9 attempts and 3 catches for 23 yards is all he did. We barely saw him and I don’t think we can say he looked really good. 3.8 yards per touch on limited touches isn’t flashing anything. We won’t see him until 2026, so who knows what we have and how long he’ll last.

I agree with some of these comments. Why did we wait until 1/18 to have surgery when he was hurt on 12/8? 42 days seems long. Pretty much seems like that guarantees no play in 2025.

Oh yeah, I forgot that terrible holding call on Buffalo that basically stopped the drive. It would have been 2nd and 3 on Samuel’s catch instead of 2nd and 22. I hate when the refs make such a huge impact.

Refs seem to want Lamar to move on. That holding was ridiculously obvious and they’ve let multiple pushes and two punches after the whistle go.

You need a little luck but they got Stroud, Anderson, Stingley, Collins, Dell and a handful of other solid starters in 4 drafts. We got Iky, Young and Horn (1 healthy year) in the same 4 drafts. The trade up for Young (among other bad trade ups/trades) did cost us a lot of additional potential talent plus CMC and Moore. Feels like we’ve been treading water so to speak. You are saying what I’ve been saying about our drafts. We need more than just hey Wallace has been OK or XL may end up being OK and hopefully Brooks will play again in 2026. There’s a huge difference between an above average NFL starter and a starter who wouldn’t start elsewhere. We need more top starters if we want to actually compete. The Texans turned over almost half their starters in the past 4 drafts with several top starters.

The Texans also had an abundance of draft picks. Remember they drafted Will Anderson one pick after Stroud. Collins wasn’t much in his 2 seasons prior to Stroud as Davis Mills was terrible. Tank Dell was drafted the same year as Stroud. The Texans draft 7 2024 starters in 2023 and 2024. Add in Nico Collins breakout and Hunter as a defensive stud and you’ve got the roster they have today. Heck, they’ve got multiple starters from 2022 including another probowler. Our drafting looks like poo from 2018-2024 compared to that even with Young looking so much better. They drafted three pro bowlers at the key positions in 2022-2023. I keep saying that our drafting has got to get to another level. Some people think Morgan did a great job this year and someone even posted that even if Coker is a WR3 that it’s a great result as a UDFA. That’s BS. Coker needs to be a good WR2 at worst to make up for missing on first and second rounders at WR for years. Just look at the talent and depth the Texans got in the 2021-2024 drafts to see how much we need to do to really be playoff competitive year in and year out. The Texans look like they are there and a large part of that is “tanking” while starting Mills and trading Watson while he was worth something. We didn’t do that so we need to actually hit (XL and Brooks don’t count as a hit draft) on every draft while Young is still on a rookie deal.

More importantly, it depends on who the retread’s QB is. Those dimes dropped were all Daniels. The OC, HC and QB coach, etc. had no impact on Daniels having his arm talent and skills. Coaches can help mold them but sometimes you’ve got a QB who transcends everything. McDermott didn’t make Allen and Reid couldn’t get all the way with Smith like he did with Mahomes.

Umm, just to remind you, Cam Newton only has 3 career playoff wins and one of those was against a 3rd string QB with 3 TDs and 11 INTs in his career. Daniels is phenomenal and we were unlucky enough to pass on Stroud and trade away a pick that was one before Daniels. That said, don’t throw stones in glass houses. Saying Daniels is great doesn’t need to make fun of a QB whose playoff results remind us of our own historical playoff results.

We don’t need to trade back. We have 2 4ths and 3 5ths already. 9 picks and UDFAs, no reason at all to trade back. There are on rare occasions NFL guys in the 6th and 7th. We have been terrible at identifying day 3 talent but at least we kind of learned and took Mays in the 6th the draft after missing twice on Trey Smith. That said we have more than enough picks to help with depth. What we truly need is to get legitimate above average starters. We appear to have one top 10 guy in Lewis (6th/7th best LG) and a couple guys close to top 10 in Moton at RT and Hunt at RG and that’s likely why our OL was solid. We just can’t keep adding below average starters and act like they are great because they are starting. Our pick 8 needs to be top 10 at his position and 1 or 2 of the day 2 guys needs to be average NFL starter and 1 or 2 of our day 3 picks to surprise and at worst be upgrades to current starters. We need to crawl out of the talent hole we are clearly in right now.

We would have been better off saving the cap space and not trading for Diontae in the first place. I don’t know for sure but since we made that trade before the draft, McConkey may have been off the board as too similar to Johnson.

Well, maybe not geniuses. He was actually getting attention which seems to be his whole problem. I’ll play devil’s advocate here and say if we didn’t trade for him we would have 1) saved $9.4M in cap and cash and 2) we might have drafted McConkey. I won’t call us geniuses when we altered our team for him and paid most of his money. The picks basically cancel out since we got Pittsburgh’s late 7th and got the Ravens’ late 5th and gave up two 6ths. We would have been better if we just dumped Donte to save $12M in cap space and drafted our Diontae Johnson.

We probably do. I just grabbed two posts and added some color to the stats. Legette got a ton of targets and needs to produce way more. McConkey, Coker and Thielen were all 9.8+ ypt and Legette was 5.5, which is right around the corner from Mingo’s 4.6 and Franklin’s 5.0. He needs to improve, although if we take TMac, we are kind of limiting Legette’s presence as long as Thielen doesn’t retire.