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ND might have still got a TD on that one and I thought it was a PI. Penn State got both of their interceptions turned into TDs. The trash calls have definitely benefited PSU more just because they wiped out turnovers and resulted in TDs. All 3 of Penn State’s TDs had key penalties/non-call. Here’s to hoping we don’t see anymore bailouts.

Not hard to get a lead back when both of Allan’s interceptions turned into goal to go TDs.

Penn St getting some nice calls. PI on their first TD drive which has happened twice on both interceptions. That non holding call on the last TD drive would have likely meant a FG instead of a TD. Penn St has 18 points from 3 penalties. I hate when the refs determine the game.

One guy I was interested in is going back to school Jayden Ott from Cal had an injury plagued year this year so he’s going back to school. Might not be the best idea as RB shelf life isn’t long but he likely would have dropped to 6-7 round. With all of our extra picks, might have been a nice flyer based off his freshman and sophomore years.

Good question and I’ll be more up on it when we know who enters the draft. I would think anyone eligible as RB is not a position that you risk going back to school. I will say that while Skattebo was fun to watch in college, I don’t think he’s an NFL RB. He was so worn down facing NFL quality DL that I wouldn’t touch him unless he knocks the combine out of the park. I don’t think he’d make a full NFL season as a lead back. I will watch the combine to see who impresses. Henderson from OSU, Moss from Texas A&M and Neal from Kansas are all RBs I have seen a bit of that could be decent compliments to Chuba if they drop into day 3. Not too sure about Judkins, it just seems like Henderson just produces more when I’ve seen him and I think Judkins is ranked higher. The rest of the RBs will go too early for us to pick given we did invest in Brooks or are RBs I’ve never seen. We do have to give Brooks a shot because we aren’t playoff bound in 2025, but we also need to realize he may never be who we hoped and Chuba needs someone to help.

Still pisses me off that we could have had Frazier and gotten a solid complimentary RB in round 4+. Tracy was available when we took Wade and Irving and a few others were available when we took Sanders. Imagine coming out of this past draft with the picks the Huddle consensus liked and gotten McConkey, Frazier, Wallace, Sanders and one of the several day 3 RBs. It’s sad to think we took two risky picks early and they look like poor picks.

If we use anything more than a day 3 pick, I’d be upset. I want OL/DL with all the extra day 3 picks we have because we need depth desperately and solid NT/DT/C/Gs are found on day 3. Even with some misses, we should get some hits. Day 1 and 2 are for shoring up the D with BPA as we have needs everywhere.

Our defense may break some records this weekend for points scored against and rushing yards. Detroit has given up 333 points so far. We have given up 496 points. We aren’t close to as good as the Lions. The Lions gave up 48 to the Bills. If we played the top 2 offenses (Lions and Bills), they’d have their backups in after putting up a 50 burger by mid 3rd quarter.

Terrible? We are historically terrible. If we give up 39 points, we will have given up the most points in NFL history. If we give up the 176 yards rushing (our average), that will be the 4th most in modern history and the most in 46 years. We are seeing history being made by this defense, so sit back and enjoy it. It might be another 30-40 years until we see it again.

Yeah, the nice thing is that even if Atlanta loses, they still can win the division and won’t rest against us.

It’ll be interesting. Giants play Philly who’s locked into 2 seed. NE plays Buffalo who’s locked into 2 seed. Tennessee plays Houston who’s locked into 4 seed and just lost Tank Dell. Browns play the Ravens who are locked into 3 seed. All 4 opponents have nothing to play for next week and do not have a bye week. Still hurts to beat Arizona but there are opportunities to pass several teams. Throw in the SOS changes for the Jets and Jax playing Indy now that they are out of the playoffs. Jets also play Miami who god willing will be out after the Browns beat them today. Worst case, Miami winning today and next week pushes the Jets SOS up enough. We’ll have a lot of games to watch next week.

It’s part of the reason Marty was well liked. Kuechly, Gross, Peppers and Cam went 9, 8, 2 and 1. It’s a lot easier to hit on early picks. He also went RB/LB a lot later in the 1st which typically are where the best guys at those positions go. We missed out on guys like Herbert and Chase, Sewell or 3 1sts in a trade up because of one extra win in 2019 and 2020. Firing Rhule early cost us a ton of picks to get Young. We are the shining example of why you should tank and the benefits. We clearly decided winning last week was it and it really could hurt. There are a bunch of teams in the top 7-8 that need a QB bad. We could have wrangled an early 2nd or next year’s 1st in a trade up and still gotten the same guy we’ll draft at 7.

All 8 of those day 3 picks should be OL and DL, maybe a RB since Brooks is likely out all year. There were several day 3 RBs in this draft who look like starters or great compliments. The rest of the picks should be all on the line. We need depth on both lines and it would be nice to get a diamond in the rough as well. Seems like historically there are quality starters on OL/DL on day 3, especially interior guys.

SMH, dude it’s OK to be wrong. All of those guys were 10+ sack type guys the year after signing. Hunter is an elite pass rusher. I’ve looked at this before when people in here said we can’t trade Burns because it’s too hard to get a good pass rusher and it wasn’t true. Looking at 9+ sack guys, there were always rookies and new FAs littering the sack leaders list. Look at the top 10 sack guys this year. TJ Watt and Myles Garrett are vets with the team who drafted them. Then you have 5 guys who signed recent FA deals. The last 3 are guys in their 2nd or 3rd year of their rookie deals. Sorry, but that’s reality. There are reasonably priced FA pass rushers available every year that put up top sack numbers. There are also quality pass rushing rookies available every year.

That’s not true. The Giants paid Burns too much but trade wise you have Burns, Young and Sweat all going for 2nd to 4th. Cost wise, guys like Judon, Smith, Floyd, Clowney, Greenard, Ginkel, Fowler, Van Noy and others were available the past few years for reasonable deals. Even at the top Hunter signed a two year deal with Houston for $49M which will probably be less than Higgins gets. Greenard was also a top FA and he signed for $19M a year.

We are pick 7. We leapfrogged the Raiders but the Jets slipped by us with a worse SOS. We have to hope the Browns beat Miami now and then we’d slide to 6 and maybe Miami really rests next week as they’d be eliminated. They are playing the Jets next week.

Yep. fuging sucks. I have no idea how they did that. We had a decent lead on them a few weeks ago. We need some more luck. Cleveland looks like they’re tanking. That Robinson kid sucks and they won’t put in Winston. If the Dolphins lost, they could sit a bunch of guys next week against the Jets. I guess if the Dolphins win, the Jets SOS could jump a bit and even more if the Dolphins beat them next week. That Arizona win was fun but man, we actually had a legit shot at the top pick and maybe fleecing the Giants like we got fleeced by the Bears.

Yeah, Jags winning hurts because of their SOS unless they win next week which is possible. The Colts could be out and tank a week. Tennessee could also win next week. Pretty sure Houston is locked into the 4th seed after that shellacking so they could easily rest next week. Jax winning could be the best thing for us but I’d still rather know we leaped over at least one team for sure. I’d love to also be in a potential spot to trade up. Beating Arizona really did hurt us draft wise. If NE beats a resting Buffalo next week, a 3-14 season likely gets us pick 1. Let’s hope we have some luck and games work out in our favor.

How does it hurt us if the Raiders winning every week? We leapfrog them and get pick 6 if the Raiders win. If the Giants win there is a good shot that Philly rests next week and maybe the Giants get behind us as well. Jax winning is OK in that they could beat the Colts next week too. Tennessee winning would be better as I’d rather have a bird in the hand (we leapfrog Tennessee) than hope Jax wins out. Again, Giants and Raiders winning is great for us. It’s not bad.

Damn, one week late. Lol, so Panthers. It’s going to hurt if we had a chance at a top pick and maybe even the top pick. NE plays a testing Buffalo next week, Giants play Philly next week and they’ll rest, Jax could beat Tennessee today and Oakland could beat the Saints today. A lot to happen, but had we lost out including AZ, we’d be pick 1 in the scenario above which isn’t really outlandish. Ugh, we could have gotten some nice picks from the Giants/Raiders/whoever to move to 1.

Let’s be honest, we have a lot of rookies playing a lot of minutes because our talent level is not good. We can’t just get starters, we need above average starters to really contend. By contend, I mean win our division and do something in the playoffs. We had a good game against KC, but what do you think would have happened if we played the KC team that dismantled Pittsburgh this week? We would have gotten killed. None of the rookies has shown that they’ll be special. How many teams would Wallace, XL or Sanders start? If we drafted a Moore, CMC, Moton, Burns or Brown, then I’d be excited. We took XL at 32. We drafted Moore at 24. We knew DJ was special his rookie year. With our WRs, XL should have taken over if he was special like McConkey did and yes, I liked him as well. AT should have had 0 impact on our draft. If we actually drafted XL over McConkey because of a 34 year on the roster, that’s a huge red flag. Add in taking a huge risk on a luxury when there were guys us draftniks liked and were huge impacts on their teams and the draft was not good. I like Coker, but it’s not a good sign when an UDFA looks like the best player we got. I want this damn team to win a lot, but the 2024 draft class won’t be why. Look at the 2017 draft. That’s what we need. CMC, Butker, Moton and Samuel. Three well above average starters and Samuel. That’s not even one of those historic drafts, just our last one with a big impact, not just one impact guy. The Rams winning every week isn’t helping next year either.

Posted this in the Higgins thread: Giants play Philly next week. If Detroit and Minnesota win today one of them is the #1 seed and Philly is #2 with a win over Dallas. I’d expect all 3 to win today but even if Minnesota loses to GB, Detroit winning clinches the NFC North and the one seed with a better division record (over Minnesota) and conference record (over Philly). Philly most likely has nothing to play for next week against the Giants. I’d sit my starters with no bye. Same applies to NE against the Bills next week but we beat AZ to make that a moot point. Had we lost last week, we actually had a legit shot at #1 with teams resting if Jax beat Tennessee. That would have been great for us as we could have gotten some decent picks from the Giants or Raiders or Browns or Tennessee or anyone else that wanted a QB. The drop in the 1st wouldn’t have been big either. It was fun to win but like the 2020 and 2021 drafts, we could easily have missed out on a team changing pick.

Giants play Philly next week. If Detroit and Minnesota win today one of them is the #1 seed and Philly is #2 with a win over Dallas. I’d expect all 3 to win today but even if Minnesota loses to GB, Detroit winning clinches the NFC North and the one seed with a better division record (over Minnesota) and conference record (over Philly). Philly most likely has nothing to play for next week against the Giants. I’d sit my starters with no bye. Same applies to NE against the Bills next week but we beat AZ to make that a moot point. Had we lost last week, we actually had a legit shot at #1 with teams resting if Jax beat Tennessee. That would have been great for us as we could have gotten some decent picks from the Giants or Raiders or Browns or Tennessee or anyone else that wanted a QB. The drop in the 1st wouldn’t have been big either. It was fun to win but like the 2020 and 2021 drafts, we could easily have missed out on a team changing pick.

Alvin Harper as well. #2 to Irvin and he looked great and signed a big deal with Washington. Same results. Not saying Higgins isn’t good, he is but the assumption that he can carry this team with Bryce, not Burrow, throwing to him is very risky. His price tag just went up and we’d have to overpay. He could be good and still never match up to what we’d pay because he’s not JJ or Chase.

We're still 4-11 and we only beat the Raiders, Giants, Saints and those lovable Cardinals who can never beat us. Blowing through the cap every year is not how you get a real contender. It covers up the horrible drafting and gets us a couple wins more than the worst team. We say the OL is fixed after all that money and yet a bad Dak-less Cowboys exposes our bad drafting and demolishes our OL from the center out. What does Higgins get us? No cap space and 5 maybe 6 wins? Until we start building through the draft we are going to keep spending all our cap space and by the time we sign some DL and say our DL is fixed, Lewis and Moton will be gone and the OL will be a problem again. We need to rollover cap space and actually draft well. Once we have a couple good drafts then you have the money to fill in the holes with top FAs.