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I love hyperbole. Burrow and Herbert, sure. Allen and Mayfield, definitely because Allen had accuracy issues and Mayfield was selected before him. No one had Allen #1. Lawrence and Wilson is ridiculous. Young’s career and potential compared to Wilson isn’t even close IMHO. I’d think Lawrence would likely be close (still 1st) to Stroud but Young as a prospect >>>>> than Wilson coming out of BYU. I hope we pick Stroud and I hope Simms is right but you don’t like to see something like this which looks more like a make some news and get some hits post.

It won’t be because of the QBs themselves but the cost to go to 1. I honestly think Richardson is available at 9. Levis at 5 or also maybe 9. Now that’s pre-trade up as one of the QB that was going to be available at 2-9 is now gone at 1. I would be ridiculously disappointed in getting either of those two at 9 knowing we traded Moore and maybe another pick for nothing.

Our “projected” total was way too high. He’s been ranked right around middle of the starting C pack. Good but not great. One other FA C starter just got like $3M. The people who thought Bozeman would get elite C money were being homers acting like he’s one of the best Cs in the league. I like Bozeman but he’s not elite and this contract is good and about what was expected based on the other FA C projections.

Why? You have $45-50M a year in FA money with DJ and Burns to spend on whatever. We could not draft an edge rusher with any of the Rams picks and still come out with more value. It hard for some people to digest the overall value that was available to us. Do you understand what we actually passed on for Burns? Pick 36 this year and 2 1sts from a team that just traded Ramsey for a 3rd. Do you get that the Rams are another Stafford injury away from a top 5 pick and appear to be rebuilding (harder without the picks we should have fleeced them for). What if one of those 1sts was a Jalen Carter or Will Anderson? That’s a risk you take that could end up with 1 of those picks being better than Burns by himself. Where did Evero come from? What player did that team trade away? A 26 year old Chubb. He got 1 1st. We were offered 2 1sts and 1 2nd, which became pick 36. Burns being traded isn’t some crazy scenario, especially for what we would have gotten. Also, guess what, positional value says that QB is your most important position not DE/OLB. What does our QB have for weapons right now? Hubbard, Thomas/Tremble and Marshall/Smith/Shenault. We have the worst skill position players in the NFL and it isn’t close. The worst. We also don’t have 1 2nd and 1 1st in the next two drafts. With Burns’ 2 1sts and 1 2nd, we could have a bevy of young stud weapons around him and use the huge cap space to add D. We’d be way ahead as a team.

It would be far smarter to take the TE who slips to 39 over the second tier of WRs. You’d have to have a big slip by a top WR. Not taking a TE in what seems to be a historically talented TE draft, seems like a Panther move so hopefully we don’t do that. Man, I wish we did that Burns deal. Grabbing a TE and. WR at 36/39 would have been a great move plus having our 2nd in 2024, the Rams 1st in 2024 and both our 1st and the Rams 1st in 2025 gave us a chance to have some serious weapons/more OL around our rookie QB going into year 3. The $45M a year cap space available from DJ and Burns gets you 3 solid starters on D.

Probably not. Cam was 5 years later and he was the first after the rookie cap structure was put into place. I’d assume one of the next 4 draftees was announced as well. Before Cam the 1st pick was a negotiation so teams announced the pick more often because they tried to get the pick signed before the draft. Don’t want a Bo Jackson type situation where he didn’t sign and you lose the 1st pick of the draft.

He’ll got top 5 money. In a correction to the OP we got an offer of two firsts and pick 36 in this draft. You can’t turn that down and get him for anything less than top edge money. With the Rams dumping Ramsey for a 3rd, those picks would have been worth a lot and still had his $25-30M a year cap space for 2 high priced FAs.

Those Rams picks would have been gems. Very possible one of the 1sts would have been a top 5. Also, us taking those 3 picks would have made them a weaker team in the future as they’d have another expensive player added. We had the opportunity to make a real fleecing.

It’s not true. The loss to Tampa made that a moot point. Tampa lost the week after they beat us because that game no longer mattered and Tampa secured the playoff spot by beating us.

This is one of those pipe dreams people have to make up for all the picks we gave up along with not trading Burns. The realization that we are in a real tough spot for offensive weapons and so we dream about Houston handing us another 1st to move up one spot.

You mean like Burns SMH.

Funny how homerism makes for short memories. A few years ago, people would have despised adding a prime OBJ to the Panthers and now he might be our answer after a year off?

Tyler Boyd was better than Jamar Chase, so probably some wiggle room in accuracy.

I know and it sucks because I’m happy we finally actually decided to go for a QB. Still makes me not feel good about our GM. Rhule was gone and we still had the lack of foresight from the Hurney era. It shouldn’t have taken until the new coach is hired to realize we were likely going all in on a QB which often entails trading up. I know so many people didn’t want to trade Burns or honestly, didn’t really understand the value we got like the free cap space and pick 36 but I’d think the top priority would be to surround the rookie QB with weapons. Even if we can’t replace 100% of Burns with all of the FA money, having an offense that functions like top QB offenses makes the D better.

Damn, I hope we aren’t that dumb. Look at Lawrence. I know Pederson was a huge upgrade over Meyer, but Lawrence in year 2 added a solid TE in Engram, a solid WR in Kirk and a solid RB in Etienne. A rookie QB and the weapons we have now is not a good team yet. I’m sure I sound like a broken record but Fitterer made a huge error mot trading Burns. Trading Burns for 2 1sts and pick 36 would have been the perfect complement to this trade up. Could have gotten one of the top WRs and one of the top TEs with 36 and 39. There are no Waddles/Chases, but there are Moore type late first early 2nd WRs. There are a ton of solid TEs and it wouldn’t take much to move up a bit either. You’d walk out of the draft with a rookie QB, WR and TE and a ton of Moore and Burns cap for D starters and have 3 more firsts in 2024/2025. In year 3 of rookie QB we’d have stud weapons and several D starters. You could even wait for 2024 to load up on D starters in FA.

I’m ok with the actual trade, just disappointed we didn’t trade Burns in anticipation because the Rams picks would be perfect to have now. We’d have pick 36 and 39, a good 1st in 2024, our 2nd in 2024 and two 1sts in 2025. That’s a good set of picks to get weapons around a rookie plus we’d have a big chunk of yearly cap space from Moore and Burns to spend on several D positions. 36 and 39 would get you a top TE and WR from this class just to start.

Not apples to apples and this year’s draft is deepest at edge rusher and there have been a lot of 9+ sack FAs the past couple years. We let one go. Replacing Burns with $30M on cap space a year wouldn’t be impossible. Also, on the apples, DJ was basically a thrown in. We traded 2 1sts, 2 2nds and DJ. For the Rams picks, we basically would have trade 1 1st and Burns. Personally, I’d rather have 2 2nds, 1 1st, DJ and $10M a year than Burns.

I’m not a fan of Fitterer. If you had any foresight that we were going QB hard then you have to trade Burns. No cap hut at all, a ton of cap to use to shore up the DL and pick 37(?) this year and two more firsts to easily trade up. The rookie will have a bare cupboard unless we waste all our 2024 space to add some guys who aren’t nearly as good as DJ.

It’s not a bad trade but not trading Burns hurts. Love Burns but that was more than enough to make the trade and then we would have had our full set of picks to put some weapons around him this year and the next two.

We should have traded Burns before paying him $30M a year. The picks from the Rams would have been enough to trade up. Then we’d have all the picks we traded and Moore. I’d much rather have 2 2nds and a 1st and Moore than Burns at $30M.

Yep. Really nervous. Had we made the Burns trade, I wouldn’t be. With the extra cap space and 3 top picks, I think you could get enough value to not flinch about a QB trade up. Without all that, if we make a QB mistake we could be watching the Bears or Arizona trade out of the spot for teams who want Caleb Williams or Maye or whoever or watch them get Marvin Harrison Jr. Best case is we really like Richardson or Levis and they fall to 9.

We did trade CMC for a 2nd, 3rd, 4th and a 5th to basically get back Sam and CJ’s picks which were a 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 6th. What we traded away of course were early in the round picks and what we got back were late in the round picks, so you could say value wise that we traded away CMC and a 4th or 5th to get Sam and CJ. Not a good trade, but oh well. Teddy’s trade was Gilmore, so that was a wash but we did also waste a 4th and a 3rd on Corral as well, again early round picks. I want a WB bad but I really hope we can get him at 9. Something tells me that trading up coupled with not trading Burns is going hurt watching the drafts unfold this year and the next two. Hopefully, we get the next Mahomes and don’t care.

Sorry, I just don’t get this. A 5-7 win team over the past 5 years and we want to “stay competitive”? What does that even mean? If we know we can’t compete for a SB, it’s a waste. The goal is to compete for a SB. The rookie QB progression is all that matters especially if we gutted our draft picks to get him. This isn’t a Mahomes situation where we already have Smith and went to the playoffs the prior few seasons. The Chiefs won their division the two years prior to Mahomes starting going 22-10. We have 22 wins in the past four years. Same with Lance and Garrapolo, although clearly Lance wasn’t ready but SF was a playoff team already. Our situation is like the Bengals with Burrow, Chargers with Herbert, Bills with Allen, Jax with Lawrence, Jets with Wilson (didn’t work), maybe Miami with Tua (injury delayed start) and maybe Jones with NE where they got rid of Cam as the vet.

He’s already cost himself a lot of money by not having an agent and might not even be in this situation. The did a talk on him during the combine and the announcer made great points that an agent would have never let him play year 4 for only $1.7M and would never have let him play the 5th year without a new deal. Baltimore paid a former MVP $25M for his last two years. Lamar is already behind money wise and now he’s negotiating after finishing two years up with injuries losing 1 playoff game without him and missing the playoffs due to a backup starting multiple games to end the year.

Both very reasonable conclusions. That’s a lot of guarantees and two firsts. Also, injuries are a huge concern. We know what Cam went through with all of the surgeries and he never missed the end of the season two years in a row and he also never missed a playoff game. How many QBs have missed the end of two consecutive seasons missing the playoff game one year and having their injury cause then to miss the playoff the other year? The Ravens have won 1 playoff game in 5 years. Jackson is 1-3 and his injuries cost them one playoff game and one playoff appearance. He has 4 total TDs and 7 turnovers in 4 playoff games. We can call is collusion, but there are very valid reasons for the Ravens being cautious. Clearly the Carr and Jones contracts show that people are still spending money on QBs but those deals are basically two year deals. Jackson is looking for 3-4x the guaranteed money and while he has been a better QB, that guarantee the whole deal cost is another level.