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Are we drafting him to be a straight LB or an edge rusher? The potential comparison to Parsons has been brought up. Only Luke was worth the 8th pick, so are we expecting him to be Luke or Burns? If the former, he better be Luke or it’s way too high and if the latter, he’s on the small side.

Actually, from the combine, he’s 6’1” and 243. He’s not a safety but he’s a bit small.

The Nope was agreeing with his last statement that the clocks aren’t the same setup. I get the confusion, but I was agreeing that pro day numbers are BS as everyone seems to improve. Thats why it’s disappointing when guys don’t run at the combine where you get apples to apples. The silliness does appear when a guy runs a 4.39 and someone thinks a 4.49 guy is slow. For RBs or WRs or DBs, the 3 cone and shuttle might be more important. It’s very rare you run straight line for 40 yards. I’ll take a sub 7 3 cone and a 4.5 over a bad 3 cone and a 4.4 for a WR/RB because making cuts and shiftiness is more important to getting open or hitting a hole, etc.

100% agree. None of the numbers, drills or college tape guarantees anything. Just have to use it all and just because there’s bad tape or bad drills, it doesn’t mean a player’s off the board, it just means when you watch Little’s drills, you don’t draft him until day 3 or let someone else catch the knife. Hurney and Fitterer had a hard time with watching everything and using 1 part of the process to make their picks instead of everything. One year we use PFF, next year it’s RAS and the next it’s coach’s feedback. That’s what happens when the GM/scouts are bottom of the barrel. This is Morgan’s make or break year after a poor 2024 draft.

That’s why it annoys me when people, who don’t watch the combine, poos it as just measurements. Sure that’s part of it and the numbers can show you which guys shouldn’t be targets, like Hurney drafting Gaulden in the 3rd when he was the least athletic DB at the combine. The drills are basically setup to simulate in game athleticism and abilities. The 2019 combine was a perfect example. While it didn’t show Burns’ weakness against the run, the drills showed his elite athleticism which showed on the field. On the other hand, Little looked downright awful in the drills, worst OL by far. There’s a reason why Little started the offseason as a top 15 pick and ended outside of most top 50s. Hurney was still in love and eating a meatball sandwich during drills so we took him two rounds early and traded up to do so.

20.8 at a single point doesn’t say anything. They had Golden at above 24 MPH and 3 other WRs at above 23. Coker got over 21 MPH at one point on his long TD and he’s not “fast” overall. Also, I think there is a certain amount of time you have to spend at that speed For those stats. They had momentary speeds of 25+ MPH on the WR gauntlets and the highest speeds of the NFL are never that high.

They mentioned the average starting NFL RB was 4.49. Anything in the 4.4-4.49 is considered above average even in the NFL. Low 4.4s and under is really fast. This was a really fast combine but we also knew the RBs were a well above average group this year.

Nope, which is why it’s a negative to run only at a pro day. Our own Damiere Byrd ran a 4.28 at his pro day. Funchess ran a 4.7 at the combine and then a 4.5 at Michigan’s pro day. Add 0.2 to any pro day run. If McMillan was truly fast, he’d run at the combine. Even a 4.5 would have been solid at his size.

I don’t see anyone worth paying this year. We aren’t a playoff team and none of these guys are even at an AT or heck Diontae level. No idea if Legette will fulfill his potential but I don’t want Coker or Legette to lose any time to run through a mediocre bunch of vets. I’d rather go BPA in draft and if there’s a decent potential WR in round 3+, take a rookie. Thielen is still under contract so use our multiple day 3 picks and UDFAs to fill out WRs.

Yep and we knew during this college season that the RB class was great. An NFL team’s GM/Scouts should 100% have known that going into the 2024 draft. We have to dip again because Brooks isn’t even playing this year.

Also, man, it was dumb taking a torn ACL RB in the 2nd last year with the RB depth in this deep draft class this year. Really dumb. Could have had a stud CB or C instead and grabbed a complimentary RB on day 3 who can actually play in 2025.

31.5” arms on a 6’4” frame with 10” inch hands looks like a big catch radius. Might be what made him look taller.

I’m all for it as well. Stupid strategy, period. It reminds me of Hurney/Fitterer and their tendency to fall for certain people like Little and Grier or Corral and DJ Johnson and ignoring people who drop to great value like Crosby or Trey Smith. If the Falcons have offensive blinders on, that’s awesome and maybe drops some BPA guys to us, especially day 3.

I’m a little uneasy paying through the nose for another Eagles FA who likely will not be nearly as effective outside of the Eagles DL like Sanders was ineffective away from the Philly OL/offense.

We only made one K pick in the 7th and it ended up being one of the best kickers in the NFL. As per our usual dysfunction, that K has played in 5 Super Bowls in his 8 years in the league, winning 3. He’s never not been in the playoffs and he’s never not won his division. He’s 17-5 in the playoffs while we are 0-1 in the same 8 years. You really can’t make this poo up.

Why not let the Raiders release him? He's been mediocre at best and they probably would rather draft a backup to Bowers with upside. If we actually want to improve the TE room, Mayer sure doesn’t seem to be the way to do it.

JFC, what is wrong with the Huddle. Someone says Hurney drafted CMC and there is no correction? Our last good draft in 2017 was Gettleman drafting CMC, Samuel, Moton and Butker. Marty took over after the draft. All I know is that we have been so bad at drafting from 2018 to 2024 that people can’t even remember what we did in 2017 and before. All that said, I 100% promise to move my fandom if we take Jeanty at 8.

After stealing as much $$$ as he has from us, he should play for vet min to make up for it. Wouldn’t it have been nice to have a second year stud at C instead of a RB who’s not going to play next year anyway?

How so? I basically said this year I’ve only been paying attention to top 10 prospects because of our pick at 8. I’ve kind of lost my interest in the rest of the draft because of how bad our actual picks have been, but Graham is 100% in the range of players I’m still interested in because he’s a consensus top 10 guy. Heck, he’s been one of the few guys (like Travis Hunter who’ve been top 10 since pre-2024 college season. I just google 2025 mock draft, went to ESPN, PFF, CBS, Tankathon and NFL.com and not one site or mock had him go later than 8 and that was only one of them. Where have you seen that he’s actually not a top 10 guy?

BTW, love threads like this. I haven’t paid much attention outside of pick 8, just because our recent drafts have honestly sucked the life out of something I always looked forward to each year. Last year especially with having traded pick 1.

Umm, yes he is. I don’t think I’ve seen a mock draft by an analyst where Graham makes it to 8. I’m sure there’s a surprise one but he’s pretty much gone by Jacksonville in 99% of the drafts. Where he goes depends on the QBs but he is absolutely a consensus top 10 pick.

Scary how bad the TMJ and Mingo picks were and how similar the XL pick seems to be. We’ve seen how Coker and Thielen and heck even Diontae were able to have great games with Bryce and yet we seem to draft these RAC, big, athletic projects instead of guys like Downs and McConkey. It’s almost bizarre but it seems like we got the worst of the Seattle brain trust that just want to find the next Wilson or Metcalf or ignore the OL until it physically hurts. It takes too long even when we finally do something right and then you realize we’ve got a good OL but now we give up 30 points per game. This draft better be a multi-bagger.

In the past 7 years we wouldn’t have had to TBH. We would have been better off realizing we lost Cam, Luke and many others. It was time to do an actual rebuild and save the cap space so we could keep our “good” (huddle consensus) draft picks like extending Trey Smith and Creed Humphrey instead of having cap space to burn since the long snapper and TMJ didn’t work out. Also, have enough cap space to keep some offensive weapons like CMC and Moore because we don’t have to trade up for a QB or didn’t have to “recover” picks lost in poo trades. One other note here is that, the consensus huddle would have jumped at the chance to get two 1sts and a 2nd for Burns. That alone would have been the best FA/trade move made in the history of the Panthers. It is 100% indisputable fact that a huddle consensus GM, from 2018 to 2024, would have done way better and we’d have a playoff contender right now. Maybe not a SB/NFC winning team but likely the best team in the NFC South rather than a hey we lost close games to the teams in the SB even though our D set a single season points allowed record.

I said that with Fitterer. If you looked through his picks and the trades where he gave away picks, you would actually wonder if he was a plant from Seattle intentionally trying to make us a worse team.

I still never understand the back the team no matter what the results have been. There is no doubt in my mind that if the huddle had run the drafts the past 7 years, we would have a much better team right now and likely challenged for our division the past few years. The drafts have been awful, period and there’s probably 10 consensus guys we were right on that would all have been improvements on the current roster.