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TMac is my biggest question. Is he going to be our Justin Jefferson or is he going to be Michael Pittman. We need JJ, we can’t survive Pittman. We can’t basically throw away another top 10 pick on average. At some point we can’t keep drafting Iky, Horn (if he stays injury prone), Young, trade #1 overall and maybe TMac. XL wasn’t top 10, but he was also a recent 1st rounder. Our most talented draft pick since Brown (who went 1 pick after Herbert), is a bit disappointing because he’s missed so much time and we didn’t get to savor a rookie deal. Last two SBs were in part due to drafting Peppers/Gross and Cam/Luke with back to back top 2 and then top 10 picks. We had two top 2 picks and got Young instead of say Jalen Carter and Williams or Daniels. At our talent level, TMac has to be our JJ or Mike Evans or else we will tread water at 5 wins again.

Same thing was said when the Jets (another bad team like the Browns) embarrassed Reich’s opening preseason game.

It’s amazing the hoops people continue to jump through about preseason. How many years in a row have we seen it? It’s obvious to anyone with eyes as to whether or not we look good or bad. Sure, the final score doesn’t really matter and tons of players won’t even make the team but when you say your a running offense, your first carry over 6 yards should be earlier than garbage time late in the 4th for a RB who won’t even make the PS. Again, preseason final score doesn’t matter but I won’t think about the playoffs until this team actually shows they can win more than 5 games.

Damn, didn’t see this. He's already been out a full year. Two complete IR seasons. I guess taking him instead of Horn might not have been the right call. Sewell and Parsons have been healthy although Sewell got snagged 1 pick before.

Not really. Your implication was that he was a talent with bad coaching. He’s on his 4th team in 5 years and we gave him 3 years to show something. He was just a bad pick and as a WR in the NFL, he’s not gifted in any way. Also, he was waived in late August of last year so Canales had plenty of time to observe him and didn’t want him either.

TMJ was never uber talented, ever. His lack of separation was obscene. It’s why we kept getting people in here thinking he’d break out if he played more. He played 60%+ of the offensive snaps in his first two years but no one saw him because he couldn’t get open. TMac has made more plays in camp than I remember from TMJ’s Panther career.

Hopefully, we are both wrong but the hopium feels dense right now. Look at last year, we lose Brown for the year and give up the most points ever. We aren’t talented enough yet to not have a razor thin margin of error.

No kidding. The magic year of 2015 is now a decade ago. We haven’t won a playoff game in a decade. It feels like we improved this offseason but I’m still cautious about getting my hopes up.

I’m not sure I agree on the first note on Smith. Chase had the dropsies in preseason before his rookie year and corrected it, but it was surprising because he’s got great hands. I don’t know whether XL will get better or not because we don’t have years of play to look at. One of the surprises to me is the dismissal of using the Jugs machine yo get better as if it doesn’t matter. Amon Ra lives with the machine and he’s now at a level that someone who took it easy will never reach. Doesn’t mean XL will or won’t do well but I surely can’t look at taking it easy as a good thing. I certainly don’t want to know what Amon Ra or Steve Smith would say to that, even if it was rookie year. Just weird to act like it’s OK. Will he grow and now do everything he possibly can to be as good as possible? I hope so.

CMC even said he was surprised that he was actually traded but the huddle huddles and most people read one thread and believe everything they read. Case in point. Unbelievable how consistently the made up BS continues to swirl back around. GMs liked IRing players as soon as we were no longer in contention. Cam sat the last couple weeks in 2016 but no one says he quit. I remember CMC’s last game against Miami. He didn’t even look hurt during the game but we were out of it and we benched him again. Especially at a position like RB, no need to risk injury. Clearly. Fitterer saw him as trade bait the next season so of course they won’t risk him going for last place.

He looks more like a fullback than a WR.

Exactly. You’d think 2-7 wins a year (in a 17 game season no less) since 2017 is going to keep us bottom tier. Every year we say the same poo like we haven’t been a bad team the past 7 years. Until we prove we aren’t a bottom dweller, that’s where we’ll stay ranked. God forbid we have OL injuries like 2016.

Very true on the length but stuff like this is never where we shine. We aren’t a good team at drafting.

Little disappointing but not surprising considering our draft history. Just numbers wise you’d expect to 8+ picks per team and one of our 4 never played for us.

It was fine when we won but he was probably too player friendly and lost a SB because he just let the players do their thing instead of having a real plan to win the game. Also, after 2017, he had nothing. The players quit on him two years in a row. You could see it in the 1-15 finishes. The players quit.

It’s simple. Win and everyone in here will say the culture is good. Dear lord the amount of time spent on these posts is hysterical. We’ve seen the end of season swoons where you can tell the team had given up with many of the same leaders that took us to playoff seasons. When your OL is decimated by injuries, it’s amazing how fast culture turns. When you get on a tear like 2015, everyone’s having fun. You need the right people regardless, but they have to win.

We’ve started the last 2 seasons 1-13. You’d think with so many rookies assumed to be getting significant playing time the past couple of years that we would get them as many snaps as possible. A guy like Moton doesn’t need the snaps but Young did. Young didn’t have a 200+ yard game with no INTs until week 16 in 2023 and week 12 in 2024. The young guys need reps. 1-13 isn’t worth keeping our offense a secret until we start the season. I don’t recall a single good reason for us to act like we were an experienced playoff team the past two years.

Probably one of the biggest reasons the hopium in here goes bad so quickly. The optimists forget that we need the young guys to step up just to have a better starting lineup. Then you throw in our lack of quality depth in with some injuries and you get the 2-5 win Panthers. Brown hurt for the year and we are a historically bad defense. We have so many vulnerable spots where 1 or 2 injuries would turn that spot from OK to terrible. Injuries happen and Fitterer suck so bad that he not only didn’t get quality starters, he shredded our depth.

Far apart means expensive, not a chance. I didn’t like Horn’s contract because I don’t think he’s proven to be the top CB salary wise (at the time) and even in his 2 healthy years he still missed 6 games. That said, Horn at least is coming off his most healthy season and is 25 whereas Jaire has missed 10 games in each of the past two years and is 28.

Yep. No thanks unless he’s crazy cheap. Based on the last 4 years, even if you make the crazy assumption that they were both healthy on the exact same weeks, they could have only played together 29 out of 68 games. Amazingly enough, Jaire is more fragile now. Again, only way I’d want him is if he wants to give the team a home town discount for 1-2 years to prove he can stay healthy and get another deal like Gilmore.

All the Florida fans I know thought he was terrible. When he went 4th, it was pretty shocking. When healthy he’s a solid fantasy QB, not an NFL one. Some might point to his starting record as 8-7, but if you dig in a little bit it’s almost comical: When Richardson has 12 or less passes (i.e. he got hurt in game): Colts 4-0 (2 of 4 wins were playoff teams) When Richardson plays the game (19 to 38 passes): Colts 4-7 (0 of 4 wins were playoff teams)

Lol. Now you make me defend DG. We had the best IOL in the league under DG and Oher looked solid until he got that bad concussion. DG drafted Moton and Daryl Williams as well. The OL fell apart under Hurney 2.0 and Fitterer. DG also drafted Star and Short. Sorry, but that was all in 5 drafts so let’s not make stuff up about not trying to improve hog mollies. Gettleman did a ton wrong and took the wrong guys, but he and Rivera had a deep and talented team and it got blown up really quickly. Also, I love Cam but he wasn’t the best QB in the league. He had the best year in 2015 but he wasn’t Brady. I think Dan has had a solid offseason, way better than last year but I’m not putting on rose colored glasses until we actually have a 10 win season. Again, Dave and Ron had 3 10+ wins seasons out of 5.

Right, basically what I said. Dude is crowning Dan after a 5-12 season and 1 draft, which as of right now, wasn’t good. I wasn’t judging Morgan at all. People read what they want to read like that I loved Gettleman and think he was awesome. Nope. All I said is that it’s way too freaking early to act like Morgan is amazing. I used the Gettleman/Rivera record just like I mentioned that Rhule almost beat both #1 seeds in this first year. Morgan/Canales’ team would need to win 11 a year to get to a similar record as Gettleman/Rivera’s first 5. If you are going to given Morgan a pass for bad talent, we were 15-33 the 3 years prior to Gettleman/Rivera. Again, I think all of us want this team to win again but maybe I’m a little jaded in thinking that I enjoyed 2013-2017 a helluva a lot more than 2018-2024 and I’m not a fan of smoke getting blown up my ass like we have already back.

SMH. We have one 5-12 season and no playoffs under our belt. Gettleman was here for 5 off-seasons with Rivera. The team went to the playoffs 4 of 5 years, were in a SB and had a 51-28 record. Do I think DG was amazing? No, he made a ton of mistakes but acting like Morgan is amazing is ridiculous, even for your rose colored glasses. It’s hard to really praise Gettleman but we didn’t have a single season as bad as last year under him. One 5-12 season is not a king maker. Let’s get 1 winning record before declaring the GOAT GM. I’d love nothing better to call Dan Morgan the greatest GM ever but he basically needs 4 straight 11 win seasons to match the 51 wins in 5 years under Gettleman and Ron.

Lol man. You are a bit premature here. First, have we ever really had a great front office? Second, all we know so far is a pretty poor 2024 draft base on the results and a 5 win season. I don’t care about the close wins. Rhule almost beat both the #1 playoff seeds in his first year and had us talking playoff seeds after week 4 in his second year. I like Dan’s second draft way better but how about we get a winning season before we crown Dan as some amazing GM? We did see a lot of Fitterer in the 2024 draft and his being the right hand man for maybe the worst GM in history was why many of us wanted a fresh start. Dan’s Miami and Panther career means nothing if the team doesn’t improve and become a playoff team. Also, take a bit of a chill pill. No one is actively rooting against him now. He’s the GM now so we want to see him have the best drafts in NFL history and win 3 SBs in a row. Doesn’t matter anymore if we didn’t want Scott Jr. as the GM. Just can’t crown a guy after 5-12 yet. Lots of people who thought Fitterer was good too.