CanadianCat

Also positional value is a factor as well... The best pick you can do on paper is draft a QB in the 1st round every year. Every year. Cause their value is so much more important than any other position. Even if that player doesnt pan out, most former 1st round QB's trade for an equivalent value. Obviously no one will do that but if we are talking in theory here, thats that smartest move.

I think your using hindsight to justify us being dumb and other being smart. The draft is not a guarantee. A prospect is just that. JaMarcus Russell was evaluated by Payton Manning's QB coach who has said on record many times that Russell has the best arm he had ever seen. Ever. Sometimes teams look 'smart' only because that player fell to them eliminating their other top options before them.

I think this maybe one of the most important and under appreciated points. Reading this post OP was a breath of fresh air on this page recently. I appreciate the thought you put into it.

I appreciate the post OP. I do disagree with the trading players portion of it. Those players will end up costing us more than their return value. CMC, Brown and Anderson are all players at positions that we need and all can be significant. The problem is the oline. We need to go hard in free agency and bolster that in the draft. Im resigned to the fact we have Rhule, but now that no change has been made, Im ready to look forward and hope that he can redeem this team. I love this team but its depressing shitting on its coaches and players. So Im still on the band wagon and looking forward to how we look to address these challenges.

This is it for me. It just feels like we have no direction. I dont think we are far off from being a decent team but we said that last year as well.

Its sad when the direct comparable of what Carolina should have been is what the Saints are currently. I was always giddy with excitement as to how the Saints would become a complete disaster when they cap finally caught up to them. Instead, they ride through the season with terrible QB's but stay competitive to the final game. Now they are a QB away from dominating again.

this is going to be a LONG offseason.. .

If we keep him, we should split his reps 50/50 are RB and WR.

Honestly, we should be listening to offers.

But counter to your point, didnt Richardson hire a search firm to find our next GM and that was Gettleman. That was a disaster for 2 teams now. So while I agree owners should stay in their lane, there is also no perfect solution.

This is true..

One concern I have is there are several teams that have multiple 1st round picks that may not go QB. If they dont then we need to either take to the number one pick in 2023 or find a way to be able to get enough capital to move up. If the Eagles stay with Hurtz and Miami with Tua then we are in a rough position assuming that dont trade those picks.

This. We need to go into next year with the mindset that its the year to fix the oline and 2023 is the year to get the QB. So lets not trade more picks away. Stick and pick or trade back for draft capital.

With Fitt I think thats always in play. The biggest concern I have is that if we go into this next season with Rhule knowing he is on the hot seat then he wont care for future picks and trade backs are out of the question - if anything trading up will be looked at.

@Mr. Scottell us how you really feel.

Im glad for some perspective. yeah I remember 2010 being bad but I think the 'suck for Luck' made the season exciting to the finish.

Yes, cause Im sure Tepper has just been waiting for anonyms people from the internet to advise him on how to run billion dollar organizations.

This season is gross. But I mean so was 2010. Im trying to figure out which season was worse - without recency bias and honestly I think its this one. At least during the season we knew we were bad and could at least cheer for losses because we knew it was a strong draft class. Then at the conclusion of 2010 that was Fox's last year and we went into the new year with a new coach and the #1 overall pick. The new era of Rivera and Newton began. In 2021, it feels like we are still trying to 'build' something that is falling apart around us. To make things worse, we are in a bad draft position and very little to look forward to for next year. Feels like we are going into 2022 with a coach that is on the hot seat and hoping that he doesn't mortgage the future to save his job.

I think thats a little disingenuous. Obviously he knows football. I think his problem has been 'rebuilding' vs 'win now'. The 2 require a completely different strategy and I think he wanted to do both at the same time which is why our team has looked so out of sorts this past year.

I had high hopes for him when he came out. We forget that Rhule was a sought after coach and hot coaching candidate when we picked him up. I liked the message he preached about rebuilding. So along with that comes patience as to build it up, as he has before takes a few seasons. I was willing to give him 3 or 4 seasons to be playoff ready. However the issue that I see is the confusion between WIN now and rebuilding. He started doing one, then changed to the other. I HATE moving on from coaches this quick but I think at this point we do need a refresh. Rhule is not the guy.

Come one dude.. he made some good moves. He's not calling the plays..

in his presser Rhule even said that he picked him. But he did say he basically was going to roll the dice with a coach he didnt know.

...not during the NFL season. It's not a 9-5 job

what also scares me from the pressure is that he allowed Brady to determine when he wanted to come into the office. This to me, along with how Brady seemed to pick his QB's shows, and we can see now how much that cost us. The other SHOCKER to me what when asked why he hired Brady to begin with Rhule basicially said he wanted to try something different. Rhule rolled the dice with this franchise. He delegated away the most important decisions to a 33 year old and that will fug us and cost him his NFL career.

What I thought was strange from the pressure was that he asked Brady to come in on Saturday and BRADY SAID HE WAS BUSY and he was ok with it. This says volumes to me.