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Last time they played a game that counted, Moton was probably the best OL out there for the Panthers. That's what I know. Hopefully he isn't any more, let's hope he is the floor. But how much are you supposed to pay your OL? Getting pretty 'up there'.

yeah. I was a Wilks guy and not an offense guru guy, but thought I understood the Reich hire. Was not a trade up guy even 1 percent and not a Bryce Young guy one little bit, once the trade was committed. I use committed because it was a crime. My comments were directed at the majority. And David Tepper too. Media, fans, most of both were crowing about the whole thing and we were that one player away - it was insufferable here if you doubted - and it went from that to they all suck except Bryce at the speed of light... same people talking mostly. They still are on the job about it too. Even so, I think Canales is going be a good to great hire. I was never on the keep up with the Jones mindset of get a play caller to be head coach so probably wrong abut that one but it is early.

It is supposed to work that way. The little that we saw looked better. I think if he can throw it high and deep enough, I'd say that's what XL is for. Double coverage, schmouble coverage, just throw it up there. I think I'd want a centerfielder that can flag one down too, deep-ish, defending that.

Well let's go back in time and line them up.

Did I miss something? The whole first paragraph basically is barbed. Sarcastic. Whatever the word is. I have never once made that roster argument, fwiw. Lumped in though by comments in your post.

well, they were probably pros then too at LSU. Anyhow, the College All Stars won some.

Hmm. I guess he won't be back. I was wondering if they were playing the game to get his contract non guaranteed.

Canales is Wired.

And we thought he was small I think. He had those 'break me' little thin ankles that those fast people tend to have. I hated that guy. edit: and to parlay on to this, I am pretty sure Vick was one of the very few successful trading up high for a QB guys. edit again: yeah he needed spying on so much that we took a guy 14th overall just to do that.

I would bet AT's numbers are down a fair bit.

I am going to say most of the top QB prospects are freaks to some degree. Pretty sure you don't want 'not a freak'. Also just want to say, talk about defending every blade of grass, you might be playing against Mike Vick.

Bro, placing them in the light that 'the OL was solely responsible' is about like saying they were not responsible at all. Maybe not that far but you get the point. Neither is accurate. When I see the stats of how much time there was to throw listed (which has been posted somewhere), they don't indicate a jailbreak on every single down. Same as there wasn't a ton of time on every single down. There was time, at times. (edit: and there were open targets not seen or the ball was held and not thrown in that window). If people don't or won't consider those plays in the sum of it all, that's their prerogative. Doesn't mean those things never happened. edit

Pie for 'waddled'.

I can't quite listen to the whole thing. But.. You could do the Stand and Cheer song over a more modern beat and take out the melody so there isn't one, and it would be just like a lot of the stuff on the radio. Do it it like that horrible hybrid country hip hop style that I cannot abide, the fans might eat it up. Change 'cheer' to 'represent' or something. That type of thing...

I did not know that, obviously. Good one CC. I will quit saying that. Still hate the fuging song lol. Still would prefer they'd put something together with stuff by native Carolinians.

Recently I have argued against the oversimplification of the 'deep' ball category, yes. Which I am going to blame that on FF scoring needing to be simple to compute quickly. They can't differentiate YAC, stuff like that to even know how much of that was air travel and how much was YAC. Well, they could, but it would be so time consuming trying to update scores. It think it is kind of nuts that stat people don't want to put a finer point on it but what do I know, not a stats guy really. I was arguing something different from the 'why they are categorized that way' and if you guys can't see it I am not gonna keep banging my fingers against these keys.

'No No, Nanette' was worth it.

More of that generalization about the OL. We know how they fuged the stunts up regularly And how Icky was being overwhelmed. This is so much Chicken or the Egg here. You could say the OL was given a much more difficult task to protect due to how congested they (defenses) were allowed to make the near field. And I know there were no guys he didn't see that were open, or guys that were open but not after he held the ball too long (meaning he had time to hold it I guess). No problem. Argue that he can throw it deep with accuracy if he has time. I hope he can. We'll see.

Hell I meant to say after this year and I said next year. I know he is on the way out. Was thinking there might be something to be found.

Right, UNCrules.. okay.Pretty much what I said. I thought about playing some kind of game like that with a retiring guy's deal. But it doesn't offer a lot. Maybe a guy we wouldn't be keeping after next year (Sanders ?).

Thank you. So how does that reconcile with a cut or release policy that allows a single hit, or splitting it over two years? I see that as going like: 4 million over 5 years is what they structured, right? So 800k per. If he retires next year then he has 2.4 million to account for. I believe that would have to all go on the table. So take a 2.4 mil hit one time, or 1.2 mil two times. Barry Sanders, I read somewhere, had to give signing bonus money back when he retired early. The moral is, you can get some relief doing that if the player performs at your acceptable level for two seasons, and don't make those voidable years so heavy that you don't like the bill if they retire.

For sure. There are things I want see, and things I hope to never see again.

Extending years of a player near retirement is something I looked at. I did that without really understanding what voidable years are and still don't have that. What I found though, was a retirement is the same as a cut, cap wise. You take it all that year or spread the dead over 2 years with a post June 1st designation.

We know they are pros. Designing an offense that will either help the QB be better at the field stretching, or hides his weaknesses, both really, is professional also. I would just say: you did look at how defenses played Bryce Young last year, did you not? Would you really prefer to not threaten them enough to back them off some? Because that is what you will get with no threat of it.

Y'all missing my point so this will turn into something I guess. The stats from 30 yards, 40 yards (I am assuming and not looking it up), I am reasoning that the hookup rate for 30 yard routes is less that with 20 yard routes. Following that viewpoint is the same assumption for 40 yards.. I'm just guessing that a graph would show a decline in success with the increase in distance. Lumping those in with 20 yards throws would affect the shorter distance numbers negatively. Making the argument against the importance of field stretching with the forward pass, easier to make. Just a comment/observation. I don't know the extent but I'd bet all day long the 30-39, the 40-49, and everything over that too, would pull down those 20-29 numbers. And I am not trying to say it's all a conspiracy (to make Young look better). I am saying that the lumping all those things together as deep, is not ideal for certain purposes. It's great for making FF scoring easier, not so great for closer looks.