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Bizarre is right, do you think Frank even thought it possible to fix his footwork? If you have ever been okay at something and done it that way for a long enough time, and tried to change it you might agree that reverting to the familiar when it’s money time is the thing you have to conquer. And it is very very hard to do. People are talking like changing your footwork is a simple thing to do, as if rebuilding that guy from the ground up is something you can do in two ore three months. I don’t believe that, to start with. I wonder if they can fix it period, much less on a short schedule. His footwork ion particular? Seems to have at least one extra move in it. Which has to precede the loading up. So you are talking time. When I think of the velocity disadvantage he has to contend with and the extra hitch in the footwork, you are talking a split second on each end of the D. up front pass rush before the release and whatever the slower velocity gives to closing defenders. FWIW footwork related to throwing position, alignment with target, was a big Stroud attribute. Something about he has one motion, very efficient, and he was in position to cock and release - with his feet pointing where the ball was going. I hadn’t noticed it myself but could see it in the examples. OTOH I saw Bryce’s issues right away. And we are back around to bizarre.

That is what Reich was trying to do with the neutered offense, because Tepper wouldn’t okay sitting him. So Frank was trying to limit his exposure. At least that is what I believe.

Not one person that crows this everyone but Bryce crap has enough sense to consider why the plays sucked. I mean, has ANYONE ever seen the likes of the offense these coaches put out there? I think the honest answer has to be no. Nothing I have ever seen even comes close. You’d have to go back to when the forward pass was new. He cannot make enough types of throws on time with enough velocity to play in the NFL. They found out the hard way they can’t treat him like the players they are used to working with. That offense is what you got. Actually I know how to design an offense for him. Get Gettleman back and draft those NBA tall WRs and jump ball it 10 yards a play down the field. Bryce can make those throws and he won’t need to see where he is throwing it really. Just throw to a spot where your 7’ WR will be standing.

fug you Tepper. Stupid sob.

Yeah the reason I am so enthusiastic about a new coach is because they aren’t hiring a coach who says no to starting and building around the player that will get them fired. A guy who claims he won’t tolerate mediocrity mortgages his team’s future to ride with a guy whose ceiling is basically that. I’m excited about the future.

Tepper isn’t gonna change, just refine his approach slightly. They think the problem is too many cooks. That’s it. It’s still about recovering the sunk costs. This is probably like the grieving process, Tepper still in denial.

I remember him mischaracterizing something to do with Wilks, out of ignorance. He hadn’t bothered to get the facts. Yeah he lost points with me. I can make up poo too: hey my source says what they are doing is getting a guy who'll promise to make Bryce Young into a winner by designing the Prius Offense that is gonna dominate the NFCS next year (Prius: limited range, small, boring to drive, hey .... )

Ignorance is bliss?

A lot of that stuff you are picking at him with is coordinator type stuff too, if you get good ones. And I need to refresh the circumstances: not his players, coaches, you know, he didn’t have a lot to say about much of anything except to subtract people. Which can be helpful but they weren’t replaced. A lot of people were moonlighting taking up the slack. Not an ideal situation. And for the hell of it, I bet we’d have won more than two this year with him, despite Tepper and Young. And maybe Brown, and Icky. And he is coordinating okay now I guess, but look at the talent. I loved him as the secondary coach, as far as actual coaching. I think he clearly demonstrated qualities that are lacking in the other guys that have had the job.

Yes. Which is why you shouldn’t limit head coach candidates to the best coordinators. It’s a different job. I hold Wilks as my example theoretical excellent head coach (I believe he could be), that I wasn’t a huge fan of as a coordinator.

>>>>And if one is inclined to believe reports that help their cause then you have to believe the reporting that after the combine teams had Young completely off their draft board.<<< Source? I’d like to read about that. It lines up with what I was seeing.

Not to pick on you, as plenty of people express this. This “League Wide” stuff implies every team in the league and it just wouldn’t be. On a practical level only a few teams are doing real evaluation on the top QBs. If they weren’t looking for a QB high they’d not really seriously evaluate the top ones, but still they’d probably at least give a cursory look. But then what? That’s it as far as their scenario goes. Somebody out there says Player A is QB1 and they don’t agree, what good does it do them to tell people? For one, if they really don’t like the player they want a competitor to buy in. Don’t do their jobs for them. Not gonna go down the list with substantive objections it has been done ad infinitum but betting against the category of player that he fits in physically, is historically what has been done. It is just lately in the long NFL timeline that this stuff has deviated with a couple of players. A lot of people disagree with it and so far there isn’t a ton of evidence that valuing these sorts of players that high is sound practice.

I see a little cat and mouse point guard deception where is the ball offense as his ceiling. I’d rather have more. Just show me the prototypical size and skill set, we can design an offense for athletic dummies it is a normal problem. No one takes on players like BY because it is such a difficult thing he is trying to do and there isn’t a program for that. I’m afraid he does just well enough to avoid being cut for another year. You know, because of what they invested (the dopes). Like, a tease. Just enough.... Maybe start out 0-4, but then we win a couple and next thing you know he is out for the year on some fluke. And enough people think he finally ‘got it’ and then just had some bad luck. That’s Panthers black cat enough for me, I can see it now. So what do they do then? Coach, QB, probably get a re-do. So now were are three years gone. My only hope is every coach they interview says they want their own QB, and it is a deal breaker. Which isn’t likely to happen with tens of millions at stake. Hell, if you make it far enough to head coach for Tepper, even if you get fired after the first game you are set for life. They’ll say yes until then.

It says something that I lost my ex Panther love for Dan Morgan via his involvement with this regime. I would have welcomed his help but no. Not anymore.

Hope you are right. But then his wife will be mad at him.

People think that Tepper will give the job to someone who tells him Bryce is NOT the guy? The Carolina Teppers are digging deeper not filling it in.

Do you mean it is hard to see all those people being wrong, or that if that many people think so they must be right? Like, that many people can’t be wrong. But they all were. There is a definite want to stay in the pack with these prognosticators and pundits, going out on a limb by yourself is not safe for your career. I 1000 are wrong, you aren’t any different than the other 999 but if you are alone and wrong…

I don’t believe the story of the injury starting the chain of events causing the drink to be thrown

Not being able to pin his ears back with a lead, is valid. Also, the picks aren’t what people predicted, Rams have a better record and with Burns maybe even better. Still was the thing to do though, taking that offer.

I don’t think they could have done much worse with this team if they had been trying to intentionally fug it all up. I mean, we had a run game, they tore it down. They picked a player to run it that was insanely overrated and whose lack of a deep passing game could obviously had been hidden just a little behind guess what? Yes. A power run game. Because of our starting QB’s limitations and the deconstruction of the offensive line’s mojo, people were able to play us differently than they played any other team. In fact, probably any other team ever. We may be the worst NFL offense ever. It impacted the gamin so many ways…. offenses don’t have to take chances because they don’t need to, to win. But screw that, they understand that they can take the chances now a lot more, because what are we going to do about it if they screw up? Nothing. There is no penalty for being sloppy against Carolina. Just go out there and stack the bo You can’t say for sure how many games would have been won but we probably could have had a much more normal Panthers season, not the historically bad, ugly and embarrassing one that we just watched. Yes we could have been in the hunt in December in a below .500 division. When the team sees what they saw in camp they knew. Everything changed when the pads went on. When they realized the team was serious about starting Bryce Young Morale died. There was no fire, no spark, from the very first preseason ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;mgame. STil il[l[[

I will give you that. You’ll have more success if you focus there.

You are no good at nick names.

I believe that, felt it instinctively, because no one with Reich’s lifetime of NFL experience runs that garbage out for the big new offense without some major reason. It would take a lot. Bryce and Tepper are a lot.

I was about ready to post the reason he was hired, or whatever, and I realized I wasn’t really thinking about it but the worst thing out of all of it was this guy basically wrote the offense? That was really freaking strange, hearing that. WHY? It looks to me that that is really where this went off the rails (if you don’t count the draft). I mean, all those quarterbacks gurus and brainpower and a new rookie QB and you ask a 1st time coordinator who really seems to only have like.. running game expertise, to be the architect of a ground up brand new offense? It never made any sense. And then the offense was designed, and it was time to implement. What did you guys see? The worst I have ever seen no doubt. I couldn’t recognize an NFL offense in any of those early games. Look at the plays they had to choose from, no matter who calls it they were drawing from a pretty dry well.

Man, just started watching the replay of Colts/Texans. I really want to know who was on board now. Just the level of pissed off. I can’t say I knew Stroud would do what he is doing the first year, but I can say I knew who wouldn’t be doing it.