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Yeah, definitely not onboard with that. I would've greatly prefered a Montana/Young or Favre/Rodgers type situation. Those are just very rare. Most teams go through a period of flailing after having a high level franchise QB. That's just the way these things usually go.

Wow. This is officially THE most ironic post in the history of the internet. The guy who literally only posts to poo on another poster who is willing to actually offer an opinion typed this and hit "Submit Reply". Incredible lack of self awareness.

Saying Gross isn't an all-time great along the lines of a Jonathan Ogden isn't disrespect. It's reality. He's the Panthers' all-time great. That doesn't make him an NFL all-time great. My point was our views of certain players as a fanbase are heavily influenced by our history as a franchise at that particular position. This isn't difficult to comprehend.

What I said went over your head. Calm down and re-read.

Gross was very good and more importantly he was consistently good for a long time, but he's not the all time great LT that we remember him to be he just is in comparison to everyoje else we've fielded.

Team positional history. Historically, we're very strong along the DL. Weak in the secondary. That's why good players like Gamble and Minter are so fondly remembered. You also remembering all the other trash that played those positions for us. Same with Gross at LT. Yeah, Gross was good but the way us Panthers fans recall him you'd think he was Jonathan Ogden. It's just because we've historically been soooo bad at the position. Gross is our oasis in the desert at LT.

Read my other post in this thread for the answer.

Gotta understand the role of the position and also his stage of development. He was absolutely pro ready in terms of the run game and being physically ready to compete. Everyone knew his pass rush skills needed refinement and since sacks are about the only DL stat the average fan pays attention to, if a DL isn't getting sacks them he's a "disappointment". He's not an Aaron Donald type. Anyone expecting that is going to continue to be disappointed. If all goes well, Brown is going to be Kris Jenkins without the weight issues - a.k.a. arguably the best all-around DT in the league.

I hate what they're going through right now, but I hope brighter days are in their future.

I'm not gonna rail on the guy #4 on the all-time sack list when we have a long, long list of guys with talent who busted or flamed out early because they didn't put in the work. I mean, if you want to go after someone on that DL I'd suggest Kris Jenkins.

Hard to look yourself when the other team is practically in your Huddle because you didn't change a thing. That's where Ron dropped the ball. He saw "change" as a black of white thing. You don't really have to change anything to make it appear you have. Tweak your formations to add a wrinkle. Just do SOMETHING to avoid showing your opponents exactly what they've studied on film.

#4 on the all-time sack list "underperformed". Wow. Gotta love it.

Jackson can run really fast and has decent ball skills, that's honestly about it. He's really inconsistent and he's a poor tackler. He must have been a terrible route runner or something because honestly his skill set screams slot WR IMO.

I don't think you're wrong. Right in the middle of the NFL emphasizing blows to the head of a QB in the pocket, they let the Broncos use Cam's head like a pinata. Twice.

There's a pretty good history of Rhule making comments along these lines and then shortly after we part ways with said player. Thomas has talent. I hope it's true. I just never know what to make of Rhule's comments. Too often in the past his comments have said one thing and actions have said the opposite.

He's a smug, cheating fug but there's no denying he's a football savant.

All I know is that public Rhule praise has more often than not been a harbinger of doom for that plyer in the past.

It was BRUTAL watching that Broncos LB literally fighting back laughter after the game telling the press that we literally changed nothing. Not the slightest wrinkle. We showed them nothing we hadn't already out on tape. He was absolutely bewildered. They knew everything that was coming. We never had a chance. Thanks, Ron!

Yeah, you can't publicly throw that much shade at a guy and NOT part ways with him. They were DONE with Teddy after he threw Brady under the bus blaming a late play call for him missing a wide open DJ in the endzone. There was a very distinct shift in the tone and message regarding Teddy from Rhule and company after that one and honestly it's tough to blame them for it. You dialed up a play that got a WR wide ass open for an easy TD, your QB airmailed it, then somehow still tried to blame you for it? Ouch.

FS is definitely a huge question mark and that's assuming Chinn is the SS. If he plays more LB, then both S spots are huge question marks.

Not for that money they couldn't. And yeah, I think that bridge was burned and the ashes washed down the river.

I'm fine with moving vets around but when you have a young stud on a team that's probably not quite ready to compete, be smart enough to see the future. Develop that guy where you think his best future is. Don't got chasing an extra possible win that's the difference between 7-10 and 6-11.

And the staff. You have a stud. Play him as you see him best suited. Don't try to slap bandaids on the defense using arguably your best young chess piece.

Snow said that's where he needs to be for his career longevity. I mean, if he plays a Kam Chancellor type SS role, that's basically a S/LB hybrid anyway.

Just watched about half of Rhule's 12ish minute interview the Panthers posted on FB. One thing that stuck out to me is that Christensen's name wasn't mentioned at all in the LT conversation. Sure sounds like that spot is Cam Erving's to lose and that Christensen is likely seen as an OG.