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I like Wilson a LOT, but I agree. I just give Wilson the nod because he's available now.

That's the deal I keep coming back to. I'd live to keep CMC, but if we have to part with a star caliber player he's the one I'd part with and it has everything to do with positional value for me.

I'm not sleeping on them. I like them. I just don't love them and I think they'll both be gone before #8 and I'm not feeling a trade up for one of them. Like I said, of we're gonna mortgage the franchise on a trade for a QB, I want Watson or Lance this year or just wait and take our shot next year. Unless we just absolutely fall in love with Fields or Lance in the pre-draft process, then go for it.

If we put Teddy back out there we'll likely be drafting high again, like it or not. I'd rather mortgage the franchise for Howell than for Fields or Lance because honestly I think you're gonna have to trade up for one of them too.

It's still too fresh. One day I'll be able to look back and enjoy it but right now it just hurts. We had the baddest motherfuger on the planet and we fuging squandered it.

If we don't come out of this off-season with either Watson or Wilson, it's time to half-ass it for Howell.

Dazz Newsome would be the UNC Samuel replacement. Dyami Brown is more of a Ted Ginn Jr. type.

Teddy was ranked 12th in average time to throw. Basically barely faster than average. He was also the 12 most sacked QB, exactly what would be expected. He was sacked on 5.9% of his dropbacks which was 16th in the NFL, not far off from expectations. All indications are that our OL was pretty much average in terms of pass protection.

I mean, the guy is 6'3". You don't exactly have to be a super athlete to be dunking a basketball at 17 and 6'3".

If CMC is dealt in a package to get Watson then absolutely yes. If not, then absolutely no if he's going to command big money in FA.

A good family friend is in his early 70s and heading down the road of dementia. He's basically drinking himself into a stupor on a daily basis and I honestly think it's to escape the dementia. Sometimes I wonder if he's literally trying to drink himself to death. It sucks to watch good people dealing with this poo. With Jackson's reported ongoing CTE symptoms he could've been in a similar situation.

If there wasn't a Trevor Lawrence available Wilson would probably be the #1 overall pick, but teams aren't just looking at a player's ceiling they're also looking at the floor. IMO, Lawrence's floor is significantly higher. It's difficult to imagine Lawrence being a complete bust with his physical tools, consistency, and level of competition. Wilson has very intriguing physical tools, but he also has some injury history and hasn't played against top competition. It's a lot easier to envision Wilson being a bust than Lawrence and I say that as a guy who is high as a giraffe's ass on Wilson.

That's literally the reason.

Kyler Murray? He can RUN run. Mahomes and Wilson can run because people are terrified of their arm.

I said it in the draft subforum. You can't take Wilson over Lawrence because Lawrence has a much higher floor but it won't shock me if in ten years looking back that Wilson turns out to be the guy. Lawrence is Luck 2.0. He checks every box. It's tough to imagine him being an outright bust.

You can hardly contain yourself with the erotic thoughts of an old moneyed white man "teaching a lesson" to a young talented black man stepping out of line. Maybe they are dumb enough to cut off their own nose to spite their face but they'll have to tank their organization to do it and Watson will still end up eventually playing elsewhere

He doesn't need to. Yet.

Firings? Of the guys they just hired? The hiring decisions/non-decisions evidently were the straws that broke the camel's back for Watson in Houston. That's on ownership, not the guys they hired.

What if he sits out? What if he's tearing the locker room apart. Undermining the staff and front office? At some point, a situation gets to the point of toxicity that the trade haul you're going to get greatly outweighs trying to keep him. It sounds like that bridge is likely already burned.

I'd rather give up Jackson than the others, but I definitely noted that D-Jax's name came out of Fitts' mouth very early when he was talking about our promising young players.

We've seen way too many promising rookies still end up flopping as pros. It's not like YGM lit it up in an every down role like Chinn. He just showed promise in a relatively limited role. If I'm the Texans I tell you to forget that YGM talk. I want Burns.

Yep. The track record is proven, even when I'd greatly prefer it to be wrong. *cough* Greg Little *cough*

Sigh... twist my arm... Whitehead and Boston it is.

There's no guarantee but it's about the closest thing to a guarantee that exists in player acquisition.

Oh, we definitely botched it. I think trading a mid-round pick for Minshew and his cheap contract would be most likely. Better than Teddy. Minimal cap impact. I hate being right when it hurts the Panthers. I was pissed about the Teddy signing from day one. I have no clue why we expected anything other than exactly what we got. I would've been much happier about drafting Herbert and being dead wrong about him.