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Sure, it's possible. It just requires a lot of stars to align. Will Grier could possibly be a HOF QB too.

Therein lies the rub. IF.

We'll see how it pans out but I was concerned this off-season that we seemed to be focusing more on versatility on the OL than actual talent and skill. Versatility is only a positive if you're actually good. I don't really care about your versatility if you're roughly equally bad at multiple positions. That doesn't exactly help matters. We still seem stuck in this versatility mindset when we need to be identifying our best five and giving them as many snaps as we can to work together.

We might have the strongest 4-3 LB history in the league since we entered the league. It's because we've also probably spent by far the most resources at the position since we entered the league. We didn't evolve as an organization. We came into the league in the early '90s and it seemed like we've been largely stuck in 1980s football philosophy mindsets. It's not a coincidence.

I did not at all support trading for Darnold and would've drafted Fields all day long. But to try to sit here and argue that we wanted Fields when he was available and we passed? Just bizarre. Yeah, there was reason to think that Fields may well be the pick, but the proof is in the pudding. Quoting reports leading up to the draft as if it's proof of anything is just delusional.

This is just bizarre.

What's embarrassing is watching someone argue that we wanted a guy who was available and we didn't select. That's one of the dumber arguments I've seen presented on this forum.

You're delusional and illogical. We did not want Fields. The only argument I need is that Fields was there and we didn't draft him. Linking reports that proved to be wrong doesn't make you right.

Dude... he was there at #8. We didn't draft him. It doesn't matter what the reports said.

Having good to great LBs has gotten us a losing overall record. We've way over-invested at the position historically and that has created talent deficits at other more vital positions.

Well, that report was clearly wrong. There's lots of "reports" leading up to the draft. A lot of them prove to be wrong. I wanted Fields too. The Panthers' didn't. It is what it is. I just hope we made the right call. Time will tell.

Investing way too many resources into off ball LBs has led to the Panthers having a great history at LB, bit a poor overall W-L record. Not gonna lie, I didn't want to draft Horn. But positional value of CB >>>> non-pass rushing LBs. Parsons was one guy I specifically didn't want at #8 and it had everything to do with positional value. I was screaming for us to let Shaq walk and re-sign Bradberry instead.

Seems obvious, but sometimes not blatantly so. I've always been fairly prone to developing boils, cysts, etc. They almost always go away on their own and whatever. I've only had to have one ever addressed medically. Anyway, last week my thigh started getting sore. Weirdly sore. It started getting red and puffy. Then a small sore broke out. Okay, this is odd. Then I woke up yesterday morning and it hurt. Like HURT hurt. There were some red streaks radiating out and the soreness was extending up my thigh toward my groin. My FIL is a retired pediatrician so I gave him a call and describe it to him. He says to get it checked out. I say, cool I'll call and get an appointment. He says, no, no, no. I mean get it checked out TODAY. You don't wanna play with this. You almost certainly have a staph or MRSA infection that's starting to spread. You don't want this to turn into sepsis. This needs to be seen TODAY. Sure enough, I go to be seen and hey put me on oral clindamycin but told me had I waited until next week I'd probably be in the hospital on an IV drip antibiotic and to keep an eye on it over the weekend because if it gets any worse or isn't responding to the oral antibiotics by Monday that still may need to happen. It was sore as hell and looking worse today and I felt like poo, but this evening I'm feeling a lot better and a lot of the peripheral soreness is fading. Still, it's pretty eye opening how something I knew was different but wasn't all that concerned about turned out to be something that could've gotten really ugly without prompt medical attention.

This is our best training camp top to bottom WR roster in a long time. Maybe ever.

The Saints didn't trade anything. Bridgewater was a free agent. And we committed more resources to signing Bridgewater than we did trading for Darnold. LOL @ you if you think I ever advocated for Teddy Bridgewater.

He believed Teddy could do it too.

It's all good. People can disagree. It'd be a boring circle jerk I'd everyone agreed about everything.

The concept is simplistic. The reality that from the outside looking in you have one preconceived notion, then you get there and experience it first hand and learn differently. What I'm encouraged by is that Rhule learned from it. Despite the contract, they cut bait and moved on from Teddy when they saw he wasn't the answer. Every coach is going to make mistakes. The good ones learn from them and don't repeat the same ones. We went dumpster diving at QB again, but at least we targeted a guy who actually has the physical talent to potentially succeed. That's a smarter dumpster dive IMO.

He was an assistant OL coach for one year almost a decade ago. IMO, he and Brady thought they could make Teddy work in their system. They thought they could coach around his talent shortcomings. It didn't work. In the NFL, there comes a point where the prerequisite talent just isn't there. Teddy doesn't have it. He's a mediocre physical talent and he has a very conservative playing mentality. Good backup. Not a starter. Rhule and Brady had to learn it the hard way. That's all.

In the NFL. That's the part you're leaving out. Yes, I think it's quite realistic that Rhule didn't grasp just how vital high level talent at QB is in the NFL until he got to the NFL and experienced it first hand. That's not a difficult concept to grasp. We all talked about how Rhule would likely have a learning curve adapting to the NFL. None of this is shocking or unexpected in the least.

Go back and watch his games in New Orleans. They won in spite of him, not because of him. He had one good game and that was against the worst pass D in the NFL at the time

No, I'm not. My point is we spent significant money on a QB who lacks the physical talent to be a high level NFL starter. My guess on why? Rhule and Brady (college coaches) thought they could "coach him up".

Giving all that money to Teddy was about the worst possible move we could've made there.

Yes. Dumping that money into Teddy was an idiotic move. Not just Lawrence, but Zach Wilson too. All we did was spend money against the cap we'll never get back on a guy everyone should've known wasn't good enough.