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I thought we'd take Fields. Some in the organization wanted to. The other side won. That's how it goes. There's desperate spin going on here alright...

No, I don't doubt that the Jets told teams that they were going to finish evaluations. I do highly doubt that anyone in the NFL actually thought they'd stick with Darnold though sitting at #2 with this incoming QB class. The league expectation was almost certainly always that Darnold would be available. Once he became available, the list of suitors was... well, us. We pursued other options because they were much better. Darnold was always a fallback plan. The way the cards were dealt, we needed the fallback plan. My only question is whether or not we panicked. Would we have drafted Fields had we not made that trade? I have a hunch we would've, but it's only that.

LOL @ "fit the narrative". The point is that Darnold was there for the taking all along. We pursued other options because we thought they were better options. This is isn't hard. The mental gymanstics you're going through to convince yourself we wanted Darnold all along is hilarious.

Are you really pretending like we didn't strike out on every other pitch before settling on Darnold? We were all over the Watson trade talks. We made a serious offer for Stafford. We had discussions with Miami about #3 overall before it became obvious the Jets were taking Wilson #2. Darnold was literally the best option available after all of that. The only thing you said that makes any sense is that the Panthers preferred trading for Darnold over drafting Justin Fields and I'm not 100% sold that the Panthers would've made that trade had they known Fields would be there at #8. I'm just hoping that they actually did prefer Darnold and didn't let a sunk cost alter their draft board.

According to Honda. A Subaru Outback is an "SUV" according to Subaru. Car companies just figured out they couldn't sell minivans and station wagons if they kept calling them that, but call the same thing an "SUV" or a "crossover" and dumbasses would still buy them (at a premium price no less) having convinced themselves they aren't actually driving a minivan or station wagon. [they are] People are willing to pay more to be lied to if it allows them to feel better about themselves.

Technically auto makers have been calling minivans "SUVs" or "crossovers" for years, but trust and believe - that's a damn minivan.

When you can buy murdered out minivans straight off the showroom, you know it's a played out look. https://www.motor1.com/news/362529/2020-honda-pilot-black-edition/

Hell, I don't. He was a trainwreck at OT. Oher was a good FA signing and Moton was a good draft pick, but my god we were trash at OT for most of his tenure. He willingly planned to go into a season with Chandler and Bell starting at left and right tackle. Holy fug. That honestly may be the worst pair of starting OTs in NFL history that wasn't forced by a rash of injuries.

I doubt it's a shot as much as it is giving Rhule some support.

That'd be fitting for us to finally roll them out after the look has gotten played out at this point.

It took you this long to figure that out?

Not necessarily, I'm just saying that Nagy isn't going to help. I think great players find a way. But there's a wide gulf between great and bust and all those guys in that gulf are definitely impacted by their situations. I mean, even great players are impacted but what I'm saying is that great players aren't gonna bust even if put in a shitty situation. Most highly drafted players go into some measure of a shitty situation.

So, you bailed on the Jets for incompetence and doing their former franchise QB dirty and you landed on... the Panthers? Whew boy... who wants to break the news to him?

It would make a LOT of sense for the Titans IMO. I wouldn't be surprised if the wheels start falling off of Henry soon. That running style takes its toll. There aren't many Jerome Bettis and Jamal Lewis types that last long-term running like that. Even though Henry is only 27 and Jones is 32, they might be on similar career timelines.

Jones is a 32 year old WR, but I could see them getting a 1st from a team that thinks he's the piece that puts them in the SB. I think the Ravens and Titans make the most sense in terms of their roster needs, their reasonable expectations of competing, and them being in the AFC. The Pats are the dark horse IMO. Belichick is pushing 70. He doesn't have a lot of years left.

The only way we're going to know early on is if the results are bad. Just like with Teddy last year and lots of backup QBs looking good in brief stretches, a QB's best chance to look good is playing on a system where there's no or very little relevant tape available for DCs to study. If Darnold doesn't look pretty good early on its going to be a huge red flag. By Halloween we'll probably know what we have. If he starts good and is still holding strong at that point then we might be onto something.

We have a poster here who followed Darnold over from the Jets. He's been beating the drum about how Darnold is going to be so good and anyone who can't see that is blind. Where's all your posts going round and round with him? You just don't realize that you tell on yourself by arguing strongly and constantly against a very small subset of opinions. The neutral sage observer act doesn't hold up.

I'm good with all of that.

I have not insulted those who say maybe. Hell, I'm one of those guys. Granted, my "maybe" is very slim. The only people I've insulted are those who clearly have an opinion, they're just too scared to voice it.

It just gets old watching some of y'all act like the guy going broke buying scratch off tickets at the corner store. He can't pay rent this month but it doesn't matter. He's gonna hit it big this time and everyone who thinks otherwise based on historical data is an idiot. The only thing that bothers me here is you constantly trying to paint me into a corner and put words in my mouth while acting like this sage neutral observer yet clearly arguing from a position of strong opinion.

If you weren't so all up in your feels your reading comprehension might be better. Nowhere have I said that Darnold will definitively flop here. Everywhere I have said that's the most likely scenario. Your response has basically been that while we don't KNOW how Sam Darnold will turn out here you sure do want to argue round and round with anyone and everyone suggesting that it's likely it won't be well based on a lot of historically similar situations. You think you don't take stances on here, but you clearly do based on the opinions you argue mightily against.

He's saying the same thing I am, he's just being more careful with y'all's dainty little feelings while doing it.

See above for my actual first post in this thread. You sure do love to try to paint people into black and white corners while acting like you have no opinion but oddly enough vociferously arguing against certain viewpoints. My point is simple. Sam Darnold has been bad. We're banking on him making a dramatic improvement. The history of guys suddenly making a dramatic improvement with a change of scenery isn't good. That's just being realistic. Were betting on long odds here. But sure, keep doing the same mental gymanstics people did last year to convince themselves that Joe Brady was going to wave a magic wand and transform Teddy into an elite QB. I HOPE it happens with Darnold but it's highly unlikely.

His poor tackling concerns me there though. That nickel is pretty key in run defense.