Jon Snow

It's been many years since those names were on a Panthers uniform. That's not several years and they had nothing to do with the Tepper era.

It will only get uglier from here.

I never did. His first year was a wait a see for me. But the trades and turning down the Burns deal sealed it for me. He was complete ass.

I do not know what Canales will ever be if anything. I'm not counting on a young Vince Lombardi here. Hell I settle for him being simply creative enough to but a good offense for now. I still think he's in over his head with this team and will probably flame out as fast a Rhule did. The only thing that will save him with Tepper is building a team to win some games. If he doesn't do that fast enough it's next man, or woman (Tepper will try anything) up.

True and I had missed that. I still say that's not enough to call him some qb guru. I call it coincidence if anything. And let me reiterate that's it's not because he didn't "fix" Young. Young is what he is. No one can fix that.

No, it's because he's had little to no actual experience at turning a qb around. It more attributing his contributions to something that he really had little to no impact on. 2 qbs he spent 1 year each with doesn't make him a qb whisper. Fans created that myth because they thought he would have the same impact with Young. It doesn't work that way. To be a "whisper" it would take many more years of work that he just doesn't have. So no, he's not some qb whisper and I wish that myth would die.

I think it's what fans, media and possibly Tepper thought he was because other qbs he was around had good seasons and assumed he was here to fix Bryce. Nevermind that he wasn't their qb coach during their turnaround. The only time he had a direct effect on an offense is in Tampa as an OC for 1 season. Somehow that translates in a qb whisperer. How, I do not know.

He is.

Yes, in years past that was the model all teams used to develop their qbs. Even then there were more failures than successes. In the past decade at least that's not been the case. It may swing back that way but it's not right now. But in Fields case he has not been nor will never be a pass 1st qb. You've seen them come and go over the years and those guys just cannot thrive in the nfl for very long. Their tendencies get figured out quickly and become less effective as a qb and all they have left with just running. He just another Tasom Hill without the passing or catching ability. Maybe if he sits for another year or two behind a good vet he could develop into something but you don't trade for a project like that.

That's the story of about every young qb drafted. They go to a bad teams and are thrown to the wolves. Fields is a gifted runner, but qb? Not so much. It's been what? 4 years since he was drafted? He's still struggling. I don't blame the team for passing on him because they sure as hell couldn't turn him into a franchise qb. I seriously doubt our current group can either.

Fields is a 1 read and run qb. If his first read isn't open he takes off, even when he doesn't need to. You cannot fix happy feet and lack of field vision.

I forgot which round Moton was selected in. Still, point remains the you've got to go back a while to find solid second round picks.

I didn't say that they were good at it. Moose was and Khalil were 2 of their best 2nd round picks. Come to think of it they may the only ones you could call the best. That's how far you have to go back to find one. Sad really.

No. If he's a FA I would kick the tires.

How could you forget Moose? If I remember correctly he was drafted in the second round.

Or track down the thicker kicker. I hear he's looking for work.

I don't know about abandoning it but I'm sure Andy would have wished they had ran it on that interception that finished us off. My only complaint would be that they had the opportunity to run it a few more times than they did to get the score even before the 4th quarter from where I sit but that's a hindsight observation. In the end they should have ran on their defense more each quarter as their run defense is almost as bad as ours. But I understand why they didn't. The game went sideways and that's all she wrote.

Patience my friend. The cream will rise to the top by seasons end.

I think that myth is busted.

Im thinking they are getting their talking points from this place. I'm pretty sure Darin Gant and Person both have stoll material from here and put it out as their own thoughts.

They will be robbing other teams practice squads just to be able to field a 53 man roster before the season is over at this rate.

No team is as dumb as the Panthers have been. I can't even say that there is another team out there more desperate than this team has been even considering something so asinine as what the Panthers gave up. The Panthers are a cautionary tell on what trading up that high will do to your team if you get it wrong. It's just not worth it.

It would have to be a blockbuster offer before I would consider it if it were me. This team can ill afford to pass on a guaranteed start for a couple of backups and a future unknown.

That would be the prudent th8ng to do but this team had not been known for doing that.