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I think it was Orlovski (Sp?) on ESPN who said it is shaping up to be the best staff in the NFL.

Saw that and was surprised. I have a friend whose son (Brandon Parker) was injured this year but he was the RT for the Raiders--in fact, my friend played for the Steelers. We talked earlier in the season, and he was describing an OL train wreck. So I based my statement on that. Furthermore, during week 15 the Raiders had the ninth rated OL, but were rated 24th in the NFL in QB pressures--that is the key stat, imo, if you are rating the OL for a QB.

Apples and oranges. I am not a fan of bringing in Carr, but you do not sell the farm for Jackson if you do not think he is the guy--even if he did get nominated for an award that one time. Ask fans in Denver how that kind of thinking and $$$ is working out. What is Jackson going to cost the franchise? A "windfall" of picks, or they will franchise him. What is Carr going to cost? Zilch. Apples and Oranges. You are suggesting that the Panthers form the best QB coaching staff in the NFL and bring in an establish vet with a playing style that nullifies their expertise? I just do not see it.

In Vegas, Carr had the weapons but did not have much of an OL.

Yeah, I see this point, but Carr would not be the franchise QB--he would be the bridge--I get the feeling that they would still be in the market for a young QB this year or next. And maybe they think they can get Darnold (if they re-sign him) playing at a decent level---I dunno. I still think we draft a Young QB this year. However, signing Carr and keeping your draft picks is a bit appealing---considering who we'd end up with at #9.

what is exciting about this--Capers, Caldwell, Reich, Ejiro Evero--retaining some awesome coaches, etc. There seems to be a dedication to being a champion. Not the Rhule, "look at what I did at Temple..." preacher son BS---these guys are established.

Since you continue to miss the point, I am out.

Sixth year? He has played 5. He is 25 years old. But you are--once again--arguing against points I did not make. Damn son. I compared him with people who were considered busts in 2021, and I demonstrated how some were better with new coaches and new systems. I said he has all the physical tools but the light has not come on yet, and it may not. What the hell are you arguing against? I never claimed to be a believer. Not once. Nadda.

Actually, I have been accused of this when what I said was-- they may bring him back because there are many 2021 busts who, under a new coach and new system, prospered in 2022. The reality of the Panther situation may very well necessitate bringing back a veteran. I said Darnold has all the physical tools. His issues are cerebral. But there are some people who must make everything about the person making an observation or statement so they can attack the person and not the actual message. It is easy that way--happens in sandboxes every day. Considering possibilities that any intelligent person would analyze if they were mature enough to table their bias and analyze multiple possibilities and perspectives is the basis for intelligent discourse. If analyzing what the could do with Darnold and discussing the potential positives (based on what has happened around the league with QBs with new coaches and systems--Goff, Jones, Tua, etc for example) because we all know what he looked like in the Jets/Rhule systems--why would a smart person attack the person bringing up these very realistic points and potential outcomes? So yeah, I get your point--Darnold bad, not Darnold good.

You think we cannot have conversations around here because you Distort the original post to fit into something "black and white" so you can argue. It is not "black and white" You are arguing against my statements that many QBs who were labeled as busts in 2021 turned it around in 2022 with new coaches and systems. That is a fact. You are arguing against the concept that this could happen to Darnold with a new coach and system, but you apply your opinions and assume everyone must agree or they are wrong. And when I provide examples, you ignore them or mock me for providing an outlier--and in the same post, you do the same thing on the other end of the spectrum. Coaches are teachers--they do not get under the center with the QB--that is correct. You got it. However, please list the physical skills Darnold lacks to be a good NFL QB: (I'll wait here while you get the list together) Hint: There are none. Darnold's issues are cerebral. The light needs to come on, and when it does, he will be very good. It may not, and I said that.

SO you are saying that the coach and his system makes no difference? You would rather roll the dice on a rookie than a young NFL QB with starting experience? You think a QB in the Jets/Rhule system for five years has shown you all you need to know, and that with better coaching and surroundings, he will still suck? By the way, you are picking and choosing the points you want to argue. I did say, Some are hard on Darnold and rightly so. I am considering realistic options and risks the team must take to move forward. It is no secret that the better the supporting cast and coach, the better the QB will be. I provided several examples of QBs with different coaches and systems that were labeled busts who turned it around in 2022. How can you say that won't happen to Darnold? You cannot. I never said he would improve, I said he could. He has all the tools. Throw in a coach (even though that coach is not under center with him) who helps him see things better, and his confidence and timing will improve. That is human nature, it is coaching, and it is how players like Kurt Warner become Hall of Famers.

No I get it. I even said that his bad rep is earned-- PJ does not have that first round pedigree, but yes, they could benefit him. Darnold has the God-given tools to be a great QB---his trouble is processing. Can that be taught? Yep. Has he learned it yet? Nope.

I want Minshew--and his salary would be nothing.

The point was--new coaches and situations can benefit players--so how does a game in 2022 get used as your measuring stick?

I'd go to #3 for Young or Stroud if he is there and you love him. I'd go to #6 for Levis if you love him. I THINK AR falls to #9 if you love him.

It is not ideal, but we are building our staff to develop our QBs--so that is the best and most realistic option. I would be OK with it. I think Darnold (he is 24) still has a chance to get better with a strong coaching staff and support system (defense, OL, RBs, WRs)

OK, Aggie--if you are familiar with my body of work on here, you will have noted that I confess that I am the absolute worse judge of talent at the QB position. I think you are right--if the QB you like is there, and you have done your homework, you do what you have to do to move up and get him. Period. Full Stop. I think we are in a good situation because we really do not need much else to be competitive. A few free agents, a day two or three smart pick or two--and boom. We would be set.

Lotta people are down on Darnold right now, and with good reason. However, Hurts, Goff, Lawrence, D. Jones, Tua---there are a lot of examples of QBs that people have almost given up on--called a bust--and then the situation changes, and they are suddenly better. From the Jets to to the Panthers with Rhule--not many QBs would have survived that.

What does this suggest, if anything, about the kind of QB we are going to go after? Seems the HC and QB coach are more pro style QBs-- This is going to make me sound crazy when I realize that most of you consider me to be very, very, sane at all times---I almost--with this staff---think it may not be a bad thing to take Hall or Tune later in this draft. They both have good numbers, decent measurables, and experience in college. They both seemed to have flown beneath the radar.

I met Dom Capers in 1996 or so at one of the OTAs in Rock Hill at the time. He was tremendous. Comes from Ohio a town near where my wife grew up, so he was interested in talking about that for some reason. Ever since then, I have been a fan of his.

The rug is back. Nice.

Stay out of prison.

It makes a huge difference. I had a coach in college who played TE in the NFL. I was much better after 1 year with him. I went from poor to average--in 1-yr.

To those of you who are stating, "Darnold sucks" congrats. Your grasp of football talent is astoundingly insightful. However, you have to look at him this way--several qbs in this draft are a year or two younger than Darnold--and we call them "projects" What if Sam's late season success was a sign the light is coming on? What if he turns the corner like Daniel Jones or Jared Goff did this season? They are older than Darnold. What if a new OC and former QB as coach benefits Darnold and their impact is immediate? I think this is as likley as he will continue "sucking". Sign Darnold to a 1-2 year deal on the cheap and draft a QB. This is probably what they will do, so get used to the idea.

I never post here, but I watch the Hornet games casually. He is a good player. He passes, rebounds, and shoots pretty well. He is still very young. Although I do not like his decisions at times, I think the supporting cast and coaches need upgrading. Lotta unnecessary flash at times, and I do not know how good a teammate he is, but I see the biggest problem on this team is Gordon. He's just a player/retiree, in my opinion. Again, not a die hard fan--but this is what it looks like from my perch