MHS831

To me, that is the ideal situation for a young coach.

Aside from the situation in New England, when has giving the coach complete oversight been successful? Not a critical question--I really do not know the answer.

Heck, if there are some young proven coaches who will not require $20m and 2 first rounders, I say go for it. Look at the following: Shanahan, Sirianni, McVay, Z. Taylor, Saleh--impressive. All 43 or younger. Heck, lifelong coordinators like Daboll, McDermott, and Campbell (all in their late 40s) are impressive so far. I would say that the NFL has changed more in the past 10 years than any other decade in its history--maybe an older coach is not the best answer.

AKA Joe Brady?

I am under that impression.

I would like to see people leave this thread for news or comments specifically based on informed speculation. In other words, if you want to attack and get into arguments with other Huddlers, go away. Having said that, I think the longer we drag things out, the more I like the chances that the next head coach is still in the playoffs.

Exactly. The media is a leverage tool right now--if people take this for Gospel, they are going to wind up in Hell. Like watching certain news channels and believing every word.

He has bust written all over him--a Carson Wentz, maybe a Josh Allen--but Josh Allen is the exception, not the rule. I do not predict who will succeed at QB and who will not, based on college tape. I literally cannot tell. I was very high on Luck, but I was not high on Cam. I was high on Jamarcus Russell, not high on Brady Quinn. I laughed when KC traded up for Mahomes. When it comes to QBs, I am not the guy to be speaking up. I did read that there are some who love Levis--have him the second-rated QB in the draft. Here is my take, right now: I would wait to see if the Raiders cut Carr. Sign him on a cheapish deal, if possible. There are only about 6 teams in need of a QB, and the Panther job should be ideal for a free agent. If that does not happen, wait to see which of the top 4 QBs drops to 9. If no top QB drops, there will be a stud available. Take the stud, draft a TE.

There is this minor detail that could become an issue as the draft draws closer. Instead of using the pick to hire Payton, use a second rounder to move up in the draft. Take Levis...Reich is supposed to be the perfect coach for him...(not an endorsement--I simply read an article, enhancing my overall knowledge). Just throwing it out there. And since you asked (nobody), I am not as high on the first two rated QBs and I am warming to #3 (Levis) and #4 (Richardson). So there is that.

Each game the pressure goes up. I think I might go with the veteran in the NFC title game and the SB--Purdy gets a "That'll do, Purd."

I dunno--who gives you the best chance? I stay with the hot hand, personally. Wasn't Wentz good to go when Foles got hot in Philly a few years back?

This is an interesting discussion--how much of his success was of his own doing? That is the question--nobody really knows.

That is what I am saying. Cam was QB for less time and did better (except was robbed in the Super Bowl, but should have won that if it were not for a bad RT (Remmers) and OC--(Shula). Just speculating for fun--who knows? Payton got robbed by the refs one year--maybe 2.

Name a great coach who never had a good QB. Name a great QB who never had a great coach. To me, the best coaches today are in Seattle (Pete won with Wilson, who is a different QB now), SF (Garrapolo? Purdy?) and maybe (too early to tell) Detroit and Miami. They won despite their QBs. Payton had one of the best of all time and he had a good GM. He won 1 super bowl. Should he have done better?

The bottom line? What do we know about Payton as a coach? He had 1 year without Brees (2021) and that did not go well. Payton really did not with Brees. He used him well--but what did NO do with Winston? Brees' first year in New Orleans was Payton's first as a coach--2006. Brees left in 2020--Payton left in 2021. He did not really develop Winston, but he sorta was creative with Taysom Hill (because he did not have a QB?) and since had a few NFL nomads like Teddy, Dalton, etc. So Payton's career was directly tied to Drew Brees. When Brees retired, Payton stayed for a season and got out. His record was 152-89-0. So, aside from Bountygate, what do we really know about him? He had a good GM. Can Payton sail the ship with no Brees? (see what I did there?) The more I dig, the more I think, "fool's gold" (see, the Saints and their fans are fools and they have gold helmets. I am on fire)

Horizontally (If watching from the press box). Vertically, he had much more yardage. Ok, so I am an optimist. Scuze me.

This is a good point--and the measure Tepper should be considering. At that SF game, I was embarrassed that a team from 3000 miles away would have their colors throughout my team's stadium.

I guess we can assume that we already KNOW Payton is a good coach (although with Drew Brees, I could look good) but with Steichen, we have to predict that he will be one. I am not sure Tepper wants to risk another experiment. To consider the cost of surrendering a first rounder, you must also consider how much Payton will make the existing players better. (For example, a star basketball player may score 40 points and grab 10 rebounds, but if the production of his teammates drop off when he plays, is he really a star player?) I think Payton makes players better because he knows how to use them. Think YGM, Chinn, Marshall, and our QB... Now consider the actual value of a first round draft pick. I found this on a Vikings board and it is interesting: "Overall, only about two dozen players every draft will go on to have significant careers performing at a high level. That’s not a lot - less than one genuinely good player per team each year." https://www.dailynorseman.com/2022/4/26/23042105/nfl-draft-pick-bust-rate-remains-very-high So if Payton makes good players great and mediocre players good, is he worth the draft pick? I do not like surrendering a pick for a coach, but it could make sense if you look at his impact on other players. A good coach puts players in position to succeed; a bad coach sets them up for failure.

Interesting. If he wants us, he sees something. Maybe it is because our owner is rich and gives big contracts, but I think it is less about money than it is about his ego. He sees the NFC South as a place he can dominate with a QB.

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What is she doing in the room?

What cracks me up about this is Wilson's arrogance. He SUCKED this year, and he is the personification of a bad trade/contract. The Cards and the Broncos are in similar situations--the Broncos being the worst. Its between Houston and Carolina, and I think Houston is the best option for him. He can go in, draft a qb, and turn it around immediately. Houston's 2023 draft: First-round pick (own) SECOND OVERALL Probably a QB. First-round pick (via Cleveland in Deshaun Watson trade) 12 th OVERALL (This is the pick they would probably ship to New Orleans) Second-round pick (own) Third-round pick (own) Third-round pick (via Cleveland in Deshaun Watson trade) Fourth-round pick (own) Fifth-round pick (own) Sixth-round pick (own) Sixth-round pick (via Vikings in Ross Blacklock trade) Sixth-round pick (via Saints in Bradley Roby trade) Sixth-round pick (via Giants in Keion Crossen trade)

People need to remember, we have average TEs--we need a threat at the position. To me, Kincaid is the best receiving TE but his blocking is not good (yet), but Mayer is the total package. Hard for any team with needs to consider trading up, but mediocrity happens when you draft mediocre players. If we could get 2 first round talents at QB and TE in this draft, I would be pretty excited.

I see the Texans in his future. They have draft picks to spend and the Saints would approve a deal in the AFC before the NFC South. Does he like the city of Houston? Well, he liked New Orleans.

You are right--my mistake. I was thinking 23-24 instead of 22-23.