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No offense Philly, but we had 3 guys from Philly on my college team, and all three were the most obnoxious players on the team. We taped them to the goal posts, put Atomic balm in their jocks before practice, and dumped the cooler on them in November ( 30 degrees) at practice when they were laughing at us for saying it was cold. I have found that they were creatures of their environment, that everyone I ever met from Philly was equally obnoxious. This made me feel bad for laughing when they were being bullied, because they really couldn't help it. They were environmental dicks, not dicks by choice.

Nice picture. I like to see what my money (for doing nothing) was spent on. I want to propose that my boss puts me on the Commissioner's list until they figure out who took that stapler.

It will be like a bye week. In both cases, they won't be getting a "W."

Dan Marino and I are tied in the Super Bowl ring category, I suppose we are both equally good QBs.

One of the reason the WR corps has to come back for the ball -- Wilson has few timing routes. they never know when he is going to throw it, run it, scramble, etc. Watch how early they look back for the ball. That slows you down and allows DBs to recover. He is a train wreck for WRs. I would HATE to be one of his WRs. HATE it, I say.

I would also like to add that you are seeing the result of the expensive contracts they are paying the defense. 2 years ago, these guys were on cheap deals. No longer. Wilson is crazy if he thinks he is elite. take away a good OL, Lynch, and he is running scared. The GM is absolutely correct, He could put Derrick Anderson under center and get similar results.

Wilson is a smart qb, but he would not be considered good if he had to carry a team. Playing qb when the defense give up 12 points per game means you get the team in field goal range twice and score a TD to win. Look at his Green Bay game. Look at his Super Bowl. nothing special. He is believing the hype. He literally thinks he is great. How marvelous.

Thanks for providing the quote that summed up this thread so beautifully. I teared up when I read it.

Cleveland all browns--how can they not feel like turds in those? That would be as bad as a peach-colored pant/jersey/helmet combo with a scrotum pouch hand warmer. I wonder how bad Tampa Bay feels, because their uniforms still suck more than any other team in any sport.

Before I tell you this, remember, it is the off season-- My wife is from the Cleveland area, so I watched the Channel 5 unveiling show. They talked about it for 30 minutes. At the unveiling, there were about 5000 people in attendance. Then they cane out in huge orange parkas (9 players) and dropped them, and began to break into body-builder poses for lack of anything else to do. They loved them. They better copyright that color scheme. Nicknames: fudge badgers, blood turds, crap patrol, sewer demons, Brown toilet trouts....I am still working on others.

http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/team/2015-uniform-reveal.html 9 variations. The orange is redder, the brown is blacker.

I guarantee that I can accurately predict 50% of matchups specific to each date.

The only thing I can add to the thought process is this (assuming it has not already been stated) : There are usually only a few positions people are willing to move up for in the first round of the draft--they are the positions that are hard to find--LOT, QB, pass rushers, shut-down CB, and that is about it. If you look at this draft, there is one CB who may be worth moving up for, but doubtful he is there at 16-20 (Waynes). We don't need a QB, and again, no way one is there at 16-20. So, my theory would suggest that they have their eye on a pass rusher or LT. When a 4-3 team says, Pass rusher, we are thinking DE. I see the 3-4 DEs and OLBs, but who are the 4-3 DEs who will be there at 16 but not at 25? I just don't see one that they would covet that much. If correct, that leaves OT--Left Tackle. As far as projecting people to either side of the ball, we can't say--the crackheads with blogs and websites (no offense, Jeremy) don't know either. In this draft, 3 of the top LT candidates were ROTs for the most part in college. Last year, the only first round draft pick LT to play well was a RT at Tennessee. So we should forget about assuming we know best--we don't. Personally, I think the Tackles will drop and the panthers will never make the trade. Let's look at the top T prospects: Scherff (could he be the guy? He is being projected as a G and most are saying top 10, but that is what they said about DeCastro a few years ago, who was also a top 10 projection. He fell to about 23) may not even be the first OL to go. I do not see Flowers or Peat in the top 15, and I genuinely think Collins falls into the later picks of the first. If the OTs start coming off the board around 15, then there are 10 selections before the Panthers pick. Peat Flowers Collins Scherff Is Sherff on our board? I have no idea, but I don't get why everyone calls him a G and Collins a T. Then you have the second wave, if you can call them that: Clemmings Ogbuehi Humphries Fisher So Hatter seems to be all over it---it just makes sense that they are after Peat or Flowers, but I think Peat is the better player.

That is true. I think, since RB has been devalued, that this fan base has forgotten what an elite RB can do because it has never really had an elite RB--Stew and DWIll had a few good seasons, but I am talking about AP/Beat Mode good. You could argue that Stephen Davis was close to elite, and you see where that got us.

2 of the classiest players in the NFL

Here is the fallacy-- we are ranking players by using the "experts" online player rankings. I will be honest--I am not smart enough to grade compare a CB to a DT to a WR--there is a lot that depends on scheme, need, chemistry, etc. Then we toss in combine statistics and interviews that we know nothing about. We as fans may align what we read by team needs, but to actually evaluate the player's ability based on how that player "fits" the Panthers and then rank that player among players the Panthers do not need or skill sets that are not good fits for the Panthers, it really falls back on assuming good college players will be as effective in the pros--in due time. So when I see someone act as if they know who the top 20 picks will be, for example, I chuckle. It is fun to guess, but nobody knows. While Gregory (for example) could be a great addition for another team, he would probably suck here. So Gettlemen probably has him much lower on his board than New Orleans would. If all the boards are different, and teams have different needs, and most adhere to a "BPA" approach--how does anyone know who is better than whom?

I don't see it either, but I was going on some comment Gettlemen made around February. I have not even been researching them. Gonna be a fun one to watch unfold, that is for sure. As for the other posters talking about predictions--I predicted Thomas Davis and Luke Kuechly. Those are about the only two (aside from Cam) I have guessed correctly. This year, I see Collins and Thompson as defensive possibilities, with Flowers and Strong the offensive possibilities.

He probably discusses tentative, hypothetical deals with those teams in the event the draft unfolds in a manner that makes him want to jump up. Instead of going for a player projected to be there at 16-20, he could be considering options in the event a top 10 player falls to 16, for example.

I am assuming OT, but Collins could be the target. And nobody is thinking DE....

If McCoy is qualified to tell me what another man thinks, then I would believe it. Until then, why is he talking about another team's head coach?

He ran 4.64 at the combine, and with his instincts, I think he would be a great "in the box" SS. However, I think he has the ability to cover as well. He is, in my opinion, the best all-around football player in this draft and I think people will regret passing on him in a year or two. I would take him and find a place. Let's not underestimate what he would mean to special teams either. When Davis starts to decline, I may look at Shaq at SLB if he wants to play there then (I am guessing 2-3 years). However, I think he would fix the weakest part of our defense (SS) with elite talent.

If you are going to attempt to analyze the Panthers, then know the GM. We are not taking head cases. I do not care about the talent, and neither does Gettlemen. I just wish people would let it go. No Turds will be drafted by us.

What would you do with him if we drafted him?

I can see one scenario--Draft Shaq Thompson. He could play some SS and WLB until Davis starts to slow, when he becomes the SLB and Davis moves to WLB to stretch his career. Gettlemen said he was looking to 2016, so Shaq, Luke, and Davis is a pretty solid LB corps.

Good question. I think the lack of familiarity with Cam was the biggest problem. My dad called it "peeking", when you slow or soften your cuts to look back at the qb too soon. Benjamin had one year (I think) of college ball, and Brown was not exactly in a pro-set passing offense. I think they will improve dramatically this year, as you say.