jayboogieman

I saw another Canadian hall of fame. It was a city or just generic sports hall of fame. As for being happy if the #1 pick also made the Canadian hall of fame? Just depends on if he did that before or after his time as a Panther. It's still a long and successful pro career as well as having a winning record as an NFL starter, 38-28, which is a better percentage than Cam Newton's record. Source Source There are a lot of other articles out there too, so it seems a lot of people think he was a successful QB and that includes in the NFL though his greatest success came in other leagues. Anyway, that's enough of Flutie. Here's to Ahlers 2023 in at 1

Yes. He's in 3 different halls of fame, holds a few records, played a long time in the NFL, and has been considered one of the best QBs of his generation. I would say that is successful.

Making millions playing a kid's game for over a decade is not successful?

True enough. Brees was a stat padder that year he was trying to break the TD record or whatever it was. That game against Carolina was all but over at the half, and they still came out throwing until he secured the record. Wilson is a good comparison for Young when it comes to skill set. Young does a lot of similar things to prime Wilson. I gave up on the Hornets this year about a third of the way though the season. Too many injuries and Cliff insisting on playing his vets. Even though they're supposedly developing the young guys after the break, he's still playing his vets much more except for center and that's only because Plumlee was traded. I think the comparison to Young came about more for what he does and that he has been considered the top pick since last fall more than because he went to Alabama.

He played over a decade, so yeah.

I wouldn't say that is bias so much as latching onto two of the most successful and famous modern era smaller guys to play pro QB as proof that smaller guys can succeed in the pros. So, I get that and have used it even if it's a little on the lazy side. The Curry thing is a little strange to me. I don't see Young as changing the way football is played. Curry did change the way basketball is played and not in a good way. Too many guys, including LaMelo Ball, think they should shoot those long distance 3s a couple steps past half court on a regular basis. That used to be the buzzer beater shot, now every Tom, Dick, and Harry think they can do it because of Curry. It's a dumb shot unless it's at the end of the shot clock but that's another sport.

I don't really care one way or the other at this point. I just remember seeing stuff being posted about it. Give me or at 1 so I can watch the fanboys lose their poo

That's why the Panthers/Tepper will draft him

You're secretly Fitt or Tepper and just like spending time here instead of doing work

Can't handle pressure/the rush Lost the only 2 games he played against teams with similar talent System QB OSU QB Attitude/leadership came up during the combine

Make that pick and

The thing about the knock on Stroud is that it was against lesser competition in a non SEC conference in most cases. Georgia and Michigan were the only two teams he played that were on par with OSU. I agree about the Oline. The starters are pretty good or getting better, but the line is one key injury away from sucking again until they add proper depth. I highly doubt they do it, but I'd like to see the Panthers spend the mid round picks on nothing but Oline depth. A little about Richardson. If he doesn't end up in the right situation where he has a good QB coach and the team can give him some time, he'll probably bust hard. As has been said before, he's the definition of a boom or bust player. I don't know if the Panthers are the right situation for him. On paper the coaches are excellent, but McCown has never coached beyond high school before. It remains to be seen how good a coach he'll actually be. One last thing is just how much time Reich and Caldwell could give Richardson if McCown doesn't prove to be a good coach?

I agree about being cautious with the pick. It's only possibly their jobs if they're wrong unlike fans. That's why they need to do all the research on the choices as they can and make the best educated guess they can on which one will succeed in the NFL. I don't worry about size because one bad angle while being hit or even delivering a hit is all it takes for any player's career and possibly life to end. Being injury prone? Totally depends on luck and might not have anything to do with contact especially with guys tripping on turf. What I'm concerned with is if a guy can face down the pressure/rush and not let it affect his decision making. Once he gets hit, does he shrug off the hit and go right back to making plays or does he let it make him frantic and take a while to calm down again? Can he scramble in the pocket and backfield to extend plays when things break down or does he force a pass or take off running or stand there and take a sack? Is the guy consistent? Can he make throws in tight windows? On to Stroud, Richardson, Levis, and Young specifically. Young's biggest issue is his size. Can he hold up to an NFL schedule for years? Personally, I think he can. But we won't find out until he actually plays in the NFL. As has been said a lot, if Young had Stroud's size, people would be saying he was the sure fire can't miss QB ala Manning, Luck, etc. Stroud's biggest issue to me is how he plays when pressured/rushed. He stepped up against Georgia and played the best game of his career. But all season he reacted badly to pressure. Stroud just wasn't used to it since his Oline kept his jersey clean most games. He's not going to have an elite Oline here or on most teams to be honest. Carolina's Oline is a little above average at best right now. Hopefully that will continue to improve, but back to Stroud. Was the Georgia game the single best game of Stroud's life or was it him turning the corner and the start of something great? As with Young, we won't know until he actually plays in the NFL. Richardson's biggest issues are consistency and if he can be molded into more than a physical specimen. By the end of last season Richardson was playing with guys that won't ever play beyond college and were probably lucky to be playing at all. Richardson did let his footwork get away from him at times even as he showed decent decision making as the season went. But his receivers didn't do him any favors. If Richardson lands in the right situation, he really could end up special. Levis does give off strong Darnold vibes and I don't want him to be a Panther either. We've seen that show once and it wasn't good. I say pass on the remake.

The post was in reply to Razor's request to name a good QB that was small and had nothing to do with Young. Razor didn't say the QB had to be in the modern era either and had just said name one like it hadn't ever happened before. He would have had a point if there never had been small players at QB before, but history shows there has been though it has been rare. And yeah, players have gotten bigger over the years, but that's true for people in general. And I want Ahlers at 1 for the laughs but will settle for Richardson, Hooker, or Levis. Come to think about it, Bennett who is another smaller guy at 1 would work too.

That's every player ever. One bad angle is all it takes no matter how large someone is. It was just a few weeks ago that a guy bigger than Young took a helmet to the chest and nearly died on the field. Young took big hits in college and didn't get rattled. Stroud on the other hand got rattled quite a lot when pressured and hit.

For some reason that doesn't surprise me. Fair enough

The "Little General" Eddie LeBaron was 5'7" 168lbs when he played. And to do you one better, Davey O-Brien was 5'7" and weighed 151lbs. He only played briefly in the NFL and gave up football to be an FBI agent. They're the two smallest guys to ever play QB in the NFL.

He mostly played special teams but did play as a WR and if I recall correctly was always listed as a WR. I might be wrong about his listing though since it was a long time ago.

There's no need to poison the man

Karl "Stonehands" Hankton would like a word

Insane works, but so does frigging stupid. It would also be a sure sign that Tepper, Fitt, and Co still think they're smarter than everyone else.

Even if it's

You got a lot acting like it's a done deal already. Maybe it is, maybe it isn't but I haven't seen the memo. Then you have those slurping over his arm and passing constantly. And yeah, there are some acting like he's the next superstar, sure thing. I'm now on the Richardson, Levis, Ahlers, or a RB at 1 train so people lose their poo.