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If your team is going 0-17 anyway that almost doesn't matter. I say go On a firesale and get as much ammo as possible to rebuild the franchise which is bigger than one decent defensive end

We already learned in 2018 and 2019 when he was healthy that cmc didn't put this team over the top. In San Fran he's making an already good team into a great team. In Carolina he made a shitty team slightly better and it didn't have much impact on us being a winning team vs being a losing team. It's like the difference between us winning 0-3 games vs 4 to 6 games in the best case scenario with this current roster. All that does is lower your draft position. And yes I'm aware we don't have a r1. But we still have 2nd 3rd 4th , Two 5ths, and a 6th rounder. If we lose all our games our 2nd rounder is almost like a 1st.

I really agree with this point. BUT with fit and Reichs jobs on the line I don't trust them to just sit around and wait and get fired bc of it. It would take an executive order from tepper to stop them from continuing to trade picks away and continue fuging up the draft picks they do have

The wild thing is I think Tepper fell in love with Bryce similar to how he did with Rhule. I know that's a hc and a QB but I'm saying he just seemed enamored with both of them. Made it look like much less of a rational decision based on football and more of a personal one with who he personally got along with

I was a vocal supporter of stroud even after the draft. I think I almost got banned for questioning Bryce after draft day Edit: now I read the op lol. Yea you can't expect huge turnouts for fans when you're on your 6th losing season in a row. We're approaching 2000-2017 Browns levels of ineptitude

And how long does it take? No first rounder so we stuck with Bryce for at least 2 years min. At what point do you just start Dalton or a vet qb? Do you just slam your head against the wall with Bryce for 2 or 3 years ? I'm not completely giving up on him but God damn does it look bleak. I listened to a cam Newton pod and he said something a long the lines of we have to be careful not to ruin or scar Bryce. His psyche is going to get pummeled if he keeps doing this poo for this whole year and we go 0-17

Offense buzzed for 1 game with Dalton and is ground to a halt with Bryce throwing for 3 games. I'll let you do the math

Why does he keep trading away draft capital like the panthers are a team on fhe cusp of a super bowl? Were going to have some really shitty drafts for several years seemingly At some point you need to just eat your mistakes and commit to a rebuild. All this retooling poo keeps sinking the franchise progressively deeper...

Vikings defense is allowing the 2nd highest completion percentage in the NFL I don't need to see a win here because I know the vikings have a top 5 or top 10 passing attack. What I do need to see is a decent game from Bryce. I'm talking 250+ passing yards, 2+ passing TD, and a positive td/int ratio. I don't think that's asking a ton going against this caliber of defense. If he's going to be stumbling into another 150 yard, 1TD or less, turnover prone fest like his first 2 outings I think I'll officially be hitting the panic button. It's still mind boggling they didn't pick Stroud after getting blown away seemingly at the combine and pro day. I think Bryce won the Teppers over with his personality and that ultimately sealed the deal.

I saw cmc do extreme work here and we definitely didn't have the best o line in the league in 2018 and 2019 when he was healthy Maybe miles doesn't suck per say but if he really was that dude he'd be doing a lot better than he has the past couple games

We need Foreman, Corbett, and Christensen back. And Wilks lol. Realistically though, give Chubba a lot more carries. He's been doing better than Sanders but they keep sticking with Sanders. Also diversify the run calls. They keep running sanders up the gut like he's a power back when we don't even have 1 power back on the entire roster.

We are absolutely fuged at cb man.

Strongly agree but we also just need to draft better in general. Check my draft thread most of our drafts in the last decade have been horrible

Yea some of those are debatable. Chin had a good year but recently hasn't done much I kinda struggled to justify adding him. I guess by my lower standards he's been a consistent contributor but idk how good he's been outside year 1.

I almost didn't even include this year's draft. But from the early signs it could possibly be the worst draft the panthers ever had if Bryce and Mingo fail.

Are we really almost 500 despite all the losing we've been doing since 2018??? Worst are Jets, Browns, Jags, Giants, Bears apparently. Didn't realize the jags was that bad yeesh. They've got the worst losing percent by a landslide

We've been generally terrible at drafting for several years and its an huge contributing factor to our losing mostly since 2017. Let's go over last 10 years: Either a pick is a hit or miss given, I consider a pick a hit if the player was at least a good or great contributor for more than 1 year to the team. I tried to be a little lenient in the sense they don't have to be super stars or pro bowler 2019 to 2022 in particular are extremely bad and those probably have the highest impact on this current team. 2013: 3/5 hits (Star, Short, AJ Klein) 2014: 4/6 hits (KB, T.Turner, T.Boston, B. benwikere) 2015: 2/5 (Shaq, Funchess) 2016: 1/5 (Bradberry) 2017: 3/7 (CMC, Samuel, Moton) 2018: 2/8 (DJ Moore, Donte Jackson) 2019: 1/7 (Brian Burns) 2020: 1/7 (Derrick Brown) 2021: 1/11 (Brady Christensen) 2022: 1/6 (Ickey Ekwonu) 2023: 2/5 (Almost impossible to grade but, maybe Bryce and Mingo.) **a little hard to grade due to KB being a bit controversial but he definitely contributed to the team for more than a year ** 2021 is a little debatable but Horn has been comprised due to injury, I don't think Hubbard has been that good just decent. These drafts are much worse if you grade more harshly. A lot of people don't think KB or Funchess were worth much

4.0 ypc vs Falcons 3.1 ypc vs Saints 2.7 ypc vs Seahawks Pretty underwhelming considering what we were doing with Foreman last year. It's also sort of baffling they don't even try to use the other backs much. The panthers have made so many shitty moves from draft picks to free agents man. Jesus Christ man.

I compared him to cams rookie performance you could argue that's not fair but I call bull poo . We traded away a lot more assets to get Bryce, Cam was our last #1 overall pick and he balled from game 1 I just hate how divided the Bryce pick made our fan base. And it's going to get progressively worse until he improves his performance, regardless of the reasons why he's been underperformed. I was griping that we picked young and I think I was almost banned here in the off season so I just stopped. All was trying to say is people here just didn't even consider the possibility that Bryce would fail and thats why everyone here is reacting so badly to his underperformance. Almost everyone got sacked up in to the hype train and it was a tsunami that drowned out any dissenting voices.

What the actual fug is this season Watch Dalton actually play some competent football win if he starts. Then poo will really hit the fan here

He's an injury prone bust he can go home permanently for all I care

Funchess did way more than Marshall has done

None of that matters if you can't score points.

Not good 2 bad ints and a number of innacurate throws in key situations. Cam blew me away in his debut and Bryce just played like any typical 2nd 3rd 4th round rookie QB in terms of the results he left on the field . It wasn't horrible? I guess but he didn't do anything to justify that trade up to 1. I'll be so livid if we end up giving the Bears a top 10 pick and Bryce ends up being Mediocre. Its early but game 1 was not encouraging.