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This happens every year as the salary cap goes up. Guys get signed to long term deals often after a breakout year and they are top 10 or higher compared to other guys at the position. It seems like a ton until next year's contracts push it even higher. Contracts are given based on future potential not past performance so you pay the going rate and hope you are right. But you can't judge a contract until you see how they perform in your system and determine their value after the fact.

If you only see the field a half dozen times a game you are not great. And I already said Morgan was the best of the three which you would expect as a first tounder. Notice you didn't mention anything about Jenkins. So let's review. In what was considered our best draft ever we had a role player who was good the few times he played, a good player who was our first rounder and a guy who struggled with weight and desire their rookie seasons. I remember being one of the few posters really excited about Kueckly. I can remember several debates on the huddle about him getting so many tackles because BC funneled all the plays to him when we drafted him. So the point is that you can't always tell if a guy is going to be great when you draft them or even after his rookie year except in cases like Kuechly and you need to wait for a few years to see how they develop. That was my point. Nitpicking an example doesn't negate the whole point. That missing the forest to argue about a tree.

Is Legette a turd? What about Bryce? With the yearly turnover in coaches and systems it would be hard for any player to excel. Hopefully with stability we can actually develop our players and let them grow into their roles.

Smith was a part time receiver and punt returner. He had 3 TDs and 154 yards. Other than his first return he didn't score again as a punt returner. That is not great or that profiting of success. And as far as Morgan goes he didn't have the rookie season that Kuechly had but of the three he's hoped the most promise. So no it took time for them like most rookies to show their true potential.

Yeah didn't want to go into all the details but in general you have to spend between 88.9 and 90% of your salary cap so teams can't chronically underspend. But you can manipulate this rule to some extent like you can the salary cap.

He isn't the only one we bailed on before 3 years. The three years maxim is about the time it takes to transition to the NFL and learn the position at a much higher level. On the other hand if unforeseen things arise like being a cancer to the team or lacking motivation occur you don't need 3 years to cut your losses. Legette is going to be a stud if he can learn to hold onto the ball. Maybe he should have to wear one taped to his hand for 24 hours after every game he drops one until he figures it out.

The issue with Higgins is that the Bengals have said it will be expensive to acquire him and he will want a top 5 contract which is approaching 25 million a year. I don't see it happening. Bryce showed he can do well with subs and JAGs. So I would spend the money on defense and not go hogtied on a top receiver.

I thought the general rule is don't judge for a minimum of 3 years. Go back to 2001 which folks suggest might have been our best draft and tell me whether Smith, Morgan and Jenkins were great their rookie season. By season 3 they helped lead us to the super bowl.

Other than being the offseason and there isn't much to talk about, why does anyone worry about the cap? We can do whatever we want and still have cap space. You don't think the front office hasn't already figured it out and what they intend to do. Me I am just sitting back and watching. After all my job isn't on the line if we lose. Although at my age we don't have forever if I am going to live to see us play in another superbowl

That is ridiculous on several levels. First of all you have to spend 90% of your cap space every year so the idea you can just not spend it every year is against the CBA. Secondly your job is to assemble the best team you can for the fans players and team. Not to save money for the owner. Third many players who are considered great underperform while others like Luvu and Jackson have overperformed. What about a great player like Derek Brown who was injured and missed all of last year. Was he a waste of money?? Sure pay DK a fools ransom and hope he stays healthy. He didn't even get 1000 yards last year which averages out to 60 yards a game or play all 16 games. And lets be real, Jones and Watson aren't great but they aren't being paid that much either. Real glad you aren't the GM.

Defense is shaping up nicely. With our corners set we can keep working on safety and linebacker/edge rusher. Jackson said he wanted to be here so a deal wasn't tough to do.

At a good price this would be a good signing. Very athletic strong and at 335 it is mostly muscle. You can't have superstars at every position. Sometimes you need former JAGs who can become overacheivers.

He said he was doing what we did last year after seeing our results.

Not trying to bust on you but nothing we have done so far is new or unpredictable. Morgan said what he was going to do at the combine. The only thing unknown was how much it was going to cost and even then it is turning out about folks have predicted. You didn't have to be Nostradamus to figure it out so far. Now if we bring in the guys you want then I will be signing your praises as I would love a stud DL and safety signing. Then again so does a lot of other teams with lots of cap.

Those are my thoughts too.

One negates the other. If Horn is on him Godwin will have to work hard to earn his money against us.

That does it then. No need for free agency or the draft. After all no team ever goes from losing season to playoffs in one year...... except the Panthers every time. About time again....

Yeah that could be a big issue if he doesn't see us as up and coming or wants to go to a KC or Philly instead.

It is suggested that since he will want a new contract that he could be obtained for a third rounder. That is a deal. And as long as we control the guaranteed money we can fit him under the cap because most any multi-year deal is cap friendly the first year or two. And he has proven he isn't tailing off. Frankly we get him and a good Interior d lineman in free agency and suddenly our defense is a couple of linebackers and safeties from being hugely improved.

I like Warren alot and could see him as our pick if the defense didn't have so many holes. With a deep class of TEs, I would go defense in the first 3 picks and then consider offense and special teams. Yeah I might draft a kicker in the later rounds.

Yeah under Gettleman and Hurney we either way overpaid for free agents or only shopped in the bargain basement but had little consistency which is why we have more losing seasons than winning ones. I would like us to bring in a 5 technique, a nose tackle (maybe both) and safety free agent on defense and draft some other guys to help out with linebacker and safety. I am not as worried about WR as many others and would like to get a stud TE in the draft.

If I see several guys I want one consideration for me would be which positions cost too much to find a quality starter in free agency. Like drafting Ickey in the first for left tackle because they cost so much in free agency. So can we find a good safety in free agency at a good price or do we use one of our top draft picks on the best safety in the draft. Edge is expensive as is WR and quarterback among others. I wonder how much cost factors in and make you reach instead of BPA if the BPA is not one of the expensive positions.

He comes here because he has a new contract and likely a new start. Look at Theilen, he was tailing off and now he is revitalized in a new place. How many guys get traded who are doing great and perfectly content where they are? Maybe DJ when we traded him but he went there with a chip on his shoulder to prove we shouldn't have traded him. So they usually have good motivation to excel one way or the other. Sometimes positive sometimes to prove someone wrong. But we get a motivated guy usually.

You mean the cap would include those incentives he is likely to earn based on past performance? Yes. But the incentives wouldn't be paid until after the season and if he didn't reach them don't we get a credit or something? As for trades if you are the Panthers folks aren't coming here in droves as free agents unless we overpay. So by trading for them you make sure you get your guy at a price which is known and can be restructured for cap help. The best thing is you can often get a former first or second rounder for much less because the salary is attached.

I think we could definitely afford him if we thought he could help. In looking over his contract with the Giants I loved his contract in 2024. It had 2million n incentives like yards, TDs, making the probowl etc. Really pays if they produce which is how it should be. I wish more contracts were filled with incentives instead of guarenteed money.