GnJ Mock Ver1.1

[WOW!!]

I'm not arguing the need for more talent at other positions, we agree there!

I'm presenting the POV that our running game has plenty of room to improve and I will agree that we would benefit from an O line addition!

Hypothetical scenario:

Number 25 pick rolls around and on Gman's big board-

M.Gordon-96grade

Everyone else at every position is 91 or worse

Who do we take?

I take other positions

1st I think Gordon is a Chris Johnson or Jamal Charles clone who has speed but won't be able to take the pounding.

2nd I want more out of a 2nd round pick then 3-4 years of effectiveness. Which is the shelf life of a RB..

3rd your talking about depth if every thing works out injury wise to the guys in front of him. I'd rather get a starter in the 2nd round not a backup. .

[jumpman910]

You take BPA , but every team would benefit from having a Marshawn Lynch. Not saying I want a RB in the first but if one is sitting in a later round and is BPA you don't settle and reach for need.

[Ace_Aladdin]

I disagree with the theory that you can put any RB behind a good OL, If you want to win playoff games consistently, and a SB you need a RB like Stewart, Lynch , AP...etc that can run inside, outside, screens and YAC to keep your offense on schedule. Usually in the playoffs games it comes down to couple of big plays or grinding down the clock. 

 

If AP had Teddy Bridgewater with him early on his career, the Vikings would have been a top 10 team. 

[WOW!!]

You take BPA , but every team would benefit from having a Marshawn Lynch. Not saying I want a RB in the first but if one is sitting in a later round and is BPA you don't settle and reach for need.

Later rounds after the 4th is my opinion. . Then we can draft for depth and projects. .

[WOW!!]

I disagree with the theory that you can put any RB behind a good OL, If you want to win playoff games consistently and SB you need a RB like Stewart, Lynch , AP...etc that can run inside, outside, screens and YAC to keep your offense on schedule. Usually in the playoffs games it comes down to couple of big plays or grinding down the clock.

If AP had Teddy Bridgewater with him early on his career, the Vikings would have been a top 10 team.

Who are the patriots RB or the Colts?

Denver pretty good record with a bunch of nobodies at RB..

[Ace_Aladdin]

Who are the patriots RB or the Colts?

Denver pretty good record with a bunch of nobodies at RB..

 

Yeah but you see what happened to the colts when they played the patriots, got RUNNED down(twice), and when the Patriots won their superbowl they had a  top 10 running game along with the Defense. 

 

You see why Peyton Manning is done in the playoffs , no run game, just ask the Seahawks. 

[Gin and Juice]

I take other positions

1st I think Gordon is a Chris Johnson or Jamal Charles clone who has speed but won't be able to take the pounding.

2nd I want more out of a 2nd round pick then 3-4 years of effectiveness. Which is the shelf life of a RB..

3rd your talking about depth if every thing works out injury wise to the guys in front of him. I'd rather get a starter in the 2nd round not a backup. .

1st-you may be right! Up to Gman and staff to decide

2nd-what we want and reality are most times not the same. Plenty of 2nd rd picks have busted

3rd-that's why you take the best talent and everything else falls into place! See the Ealy pick last year

[Mol3m4n]

A better running back behind a good oline is ideal. Why do we have to have one or the other?

[WOW!!]

Yeah but you see what happened to the colts when they played the patriots, got RUNNED down(twice), and when the Patriots won their superbowl they had a top 10 running game along with the Defense.

You see why Peyton Manning is done in the playoffs , no run game, just ask the Seahawks.

Yeah the pats won with Antonio Smith at RB and Cory Dillon on the downside of his career..

And Peyton is out because he was hurt and couldn't move a offense dependent on him.. They still didn't have a bad run game with a nobody in the back field. .

[WOW!!]

1st-you may be right! Up to Gman and staff to decide

2nd-what we want and reality are most times not the same. Plenty of 2nd rd picks have busted

3rd-that's why you take the best talent and everything else falls into place! See the Ealy pick last year

Again Dline and Pass rushers are valuable positions of need. You can't have enough. Rb can be filled by a street FA and still can produce. .

[WOW!!]

A better running back behind a good oline is ideal. Why do we have to have one or the other?

Financially you can't have it all.. Some positions have to be lower valued position so you can pay a franchise QB a good Oline and have a good defense. .

[Gin and Juice]

Again Dline and Pass rushers are valuable positions of need. You can't have enough. Rb can be filled by a street FA and still can produce. .

Part of me can't help but think that is factored into the final grading.

I'm taking for granted BPA really means BPA for the team in accordance with the views of the GM.

I envision Dave sits down with his staff and decides the following:

-what positions would the team benefit for there to be a talent change/upgrade

-what positions lack players of a desired skill set

After obtaining all the brainstorming of coaching staff, he sits with talent evaluators and develop a metrics system that combines player game film, measureables, interviews, potential, and desired qualities for team benefit(not need) into a viable ratings system.

At that point we take BPA no matter what and keeps eyes open for players with high ratings that drop, at which point you see draft day trades, ex. Trading for Bene or was it Boston?

If that player is an RB, then we take him, no matter how many OT's are on the board that the fans are in love with!

Dave said, address needs in FA and take BPA. Well, he wasn't able to address needs in FA, he did however draft BPA and fans were pissed but it worked. Here is to hoping he can actually address NEEDS in FA this year. Not sure how he is going to pull off getting a viable LT outside of Dunlap. I will wait and see!

My view of team needs:

1st-good vet DE. True night and day difference between winning a losing games. Hoping JPP or Morgan

2nd-viable LT. Allows Cam to relax some.

3rd-road grading RT. If cam can see it coming then he is fine. Rather have a player that can help or run game.

4th-DT depth. Our defense hinges upon getting the edges penetrating and set along with opening lanes for our middle 3. Hoping for a talent upgrade over Cole and to at least have a back up on par with Edwards.

Plenty of FA that can fill 1st, 3rd, and 4th need. Some will argue that SS and WR are needs, but if the 4 needs mentioned aren't filled then everyone else will seem subpar

[Ace_Aladdin]

Yeah the pats won with Antonio Smith at RB and Cory Dillon on the downside of his career..

And Peyton is out because he was hurt and couldn't move a offense dependent on him.. They still didn't have a bad run game with a nobody in the back field. .

 

 

I'm not taking about one instance, but his entire career. The reason Peyton Manning loses during playoffs is lack of balance in the offense and that's why he only has won one super bowl. A FA or off the street signing will get you through some games in regular season but when it matters the most during the play offs it doesn't work the same when the talent level on the other side is even.   Usually the teams that make the playoffs and make run have workhorse RB with 1,000 + yds. 

[WOW!!]

I'm not taking about one instance, but his entire career. The reason Peyton Manning loses during playoffs is lack of balance in the offense and that's why he only has won one super bowl. A FA or off the street signing will get you through some games in regular season but when it matters the most during the play offs it doesn't work the same when the talent level on the other side is even. Usually the teams that make the playoffs and make run have workhorse RB with 1,000 + yds.

Peyton had Egdrain James and Joseph Addai 2 highly drafted RB in Indy so your making my point for me..