There will be as many or more Washington fans in BOA as there were Packers

[panthers55]

Can't say I am upset tickets are scalping for so much. For years I spent face as a PSL owner to have folks pay 15 for seats nearby when we were losing. Feels kind of good knowing opposing fans spent 3 times what I did to see their team lose.

[goodoleboy]

17 hours ago, CarolinaSamurai said:

I hope you grow up. Not everyone is strait ballin to be able to get a PSL. The 200% markup by greedy PSL owners is what bothers me. You have to remember our cost of living here is low and so is the pay. Guys come from up north or out west and get mansions compared to the little places they had where they came from. Because their pay doesn't decrease as they move. I'm a native charlottean so I haven't had that chance. But thanks for the comment. 

Native Charlottean here. I paid $1500 per seat more than my PSLs sell for now. I paid for them with a credit card. It was a foolish investment from a monetary standpoint. I was in my 30s and far from rich.

I made panther games a priority and have had a lot of fun going to 20 years worth of games. Countless times I have had fans sit next to me who paid a fraction of face value for seats. I pay face no matter what.

Not every PSL holder is rich. I drive a truck for a living. Make something of your life and if the Panthers are important to you invest in them. I am all grown up. Some day maybe you will quite whining about what you don't have and will go out make something of your life.

 

[MadHatter]

2 minutes ago, pantherjack77 said:

ill ask you this-

1- do you notice how lame our home crowds are for Panthers games? the empty seats, the subdued noise, the thousands of opposing teams fans ext.

2- if you acknowledge this, how do you account for it?...surely PSL owners deserve a whole hell of a lot of blame for this...statistically I can prove they do

3- do you care about any of these observations?

seriously I want to know how PSL people feel about this 

 

Then step up and buy some psl's and attend all of the games.

until you are willing to put your money where your big mouth is, you should just sit over at the children's table and be quiet.

[MadHatter]

1 minute ago, pantherjack77 said:

and once again, not answering question

 

1 minute ago, pantherjack77 said:

and once again, not answering question

Once again missing the point.

[MadHatter]

1 minute ago, pantherjack77 said:

your point is that its not up to season ticket holders to attend the games and create an exciting atmosphere?...is that your point?

The point is if you are not willing to pony up the cash and attend games, you really don't have much of anything to say about others selling tickets.

if YOU bought more tickets, there would be fewer opposing fans in the stadium.  So, by your own logic, YOU are the problem.

[goodoleboy]

13 minutes ago, pantherjack77 said:

ill ask you this-

1- do you notice how lame our home crowds are for Panthers games? the empty seats, the subdued noise, the thousands of opposing teams fans ext.

2- if you acknowledge this, how do you account for it?...surely PSL owners deserve a whole hell of a lot of blame for this...statistically I can prove they do

3- do you care about any of these observations?

seriously I want to know how PSL people feel about this 

 

I don't like it when opposing teams fans are more rabid than Panther fans and are willing to pony up whatever it costs to attend. 

Are you going to buy one of those aftermarket seats to keep a Redskin fan out of the stadium?

[panthers55]

42 minutes ago, pantherjack77 said:

and again...who is selling these tickets to those folks??....

1- put on Panthers attire

2- get to your seats before kickoff

3- root loudly and proudly for the home team!

So are you going to be there. I will be there like I am at every home game. If you are then I will see you there , if not you remind of people who tell others what to do and don't take their own advice.

[goodoleboy]

1 minute ago, pantherjack77 said:

looks like Atlanta game for me...but the prices are outrageous thanks to PSL resell...but I am not going to miss much rest of this special year...and if we host NFC championship?...oh my...a childhood dream come true!...we be there hell or highwater

You could probably get a cheap aftermarket seat in Atlanta. 

[panthers55]

18 minutes ago, pantherjack77 said:

and once again, not answering the question

To answer your question there are roughly 8000 single game tickets for sale. There are likely 3000 to 5000 PSLs owned by scalpers who buy them to resell the season tickets. And there are a lot of Panther fans who will sell one or two games a year and make enough to just about cover the cost of the season tickets. Can't blame them though, it allows them to sell 2 and get 8 free. Who but crazy people like me wouldn't do that?

So answer the question, are you going to be there?

[CarolinaSamurai]

1 hour ago, goodoleboy said:

Native Charlottean here. I paid $1500 per seat more than my PSLs sell for now. I paid for them with a credit card. It was a foolish investment from a monetary standpoint. I was in my 30s and far from rich.

I made panther games a priority and have had a lot of fun going to 20 years worth of games. Countless times I have had fans sit next to me who paid a fraction of face value for seats. I pay face no matter what.

Not every PSL holder is rich. I drive a truck for a living. Make something of your life and if the Panthers are important to you invest in them. I am all grown up. Some day maybe you will quite whining about what you don't have and will go out make something of your life.

 

Quite whining? Ha ha ha. You were 30? Things are alot different now than when you bought your PSLs. My life has nothing to do with it. You should buy PSLs as a fan not a way to make a profit. Period. You putting me down saying I should make something of my life is unnecessary, especially considering that you have no idea what my life is. I could be rich, poor, sick, injured, a vet, a fast food worker, a engineer, a archeologist, a teacher, you don't know.

Buying something and selling it at 200 to 300% above face value is price gouging and shouldn't be "OK". Telling me to buy a PSL is a fair response but that's a large investment NOW and its ignorant to think all die hard fans can afford that. 

Stop pretending to be better and just imagine a world outside your viewpoint. But maybe that's too hard for you. 

[faninsc]

58 minutes ago, pantherjack77 said:

ill ask you this-

1- do you notice how lame our home crowds are for Panthers games? the empty seats, the subdued noise, the thousands of opposing teams fans ext.

2- if you acknowledge this, how do you account for it?...surely PSL owners deserve a whole hell of a lot of blame for this...statistically I can prove they do

3- do you care about any of these observations?

seriously I want to know how PSL people feel about this 

 

I am a "PSL people".  I have been a Panthers fan since the beginning.

I decided to purchase PSLs in 2005 so this is my 11th season as a season ticket holder.  Before this I would purchase single game tickets each season usually for 1 or 2 games.  First off I didn't purchase PSLs as an investment.  I purchased PSLs so I, along with family (and sometimes friends), can go to all the games and playoff games.  I also enjoy being able to provide an opportunity for someone, especially children, to attend a game - PRICELESS.  The Sunday afternoons, SNF, MNF, TNF, playoff games shared with my family/friends ---- PRICELESS!

In the years we have been attending games --- we are in our seats way before player introductions and we have never left a game before the end of the game.  We suffered through the 2010 season, sat through the Arizona playoff game, stay in rain, stay in the heat, etc.

I can only answer for me - I can't answer for all the other "PSL people".  As for me, I have let extra tickets go unused when I couldn't find a Panthers fan to purchase them  - at face value and sometimes even below.  I probably could have sold them if I offered them up on a bulletin board, FB, etc.  but didn't want opposing team fans to get them.  I want Panthers fans in every seat but can only control what I do with my seats.  I can't believe I am the only "PSL people" that does this.  

[panthers55]

12 minutes ago, pantherjack77 said:

interesting about the high amount of scalpers buying PSLs....are you sure these aren't the Panther fans I'm talking about...you call them scalpers...but then explain why almost all other stadiums around the NFL appear to have a higher percentage of own fans?

I'm not sure blaming the BOA crowds on PSL scalpers is being honest...those scalpers are Panthers PSL owners...proving my entire point

No blame just fact. 

You didn't answer the question, are you going to be there Sunday?

[faninsc]

ll ask you this-

1- do you notice how lame our home crowds are for Panthers games? the empty seats, the subdued noise, the thousands of opposing teams fans ext.

Yes, I do notice the home crowds since I have been at all but a handful of home games since 2005.  I can only answer for me.  See my earlier response.  I do my part as a fan and a "PSL people" and my seats are in the upper level where we say the "real fans are (LOL!)".

2- if you acknowledge this, how do you account for it?...surely PSL owners deserve a whole hell of a lot of blame for this...statistically I can prove they do.

I have no clue personally.  I can only answer for me.  I have read posts on CH that offer explanations and all have seemed reasonable. Once again, I do my part as a fan.  I do believe that one reason is that the organization is very young compared to other NFL organizations.  I was very excited when JR was awarded the franchise - I finally had a football team to pull for!  My nephew is a Panthers fan because I took him to training camp and then to games.  He is 30 years old now.  From day 1 there was no question the Panthers would be my team. 

3- do you care about any of these observations?

I am a fan and would love to see a Panthers fan in every seat.  Realistically that just isn't going to happen.  I can't control what other PSL owners do.  I can't control who purchases the single game tickets when they go on sale.  I can control what I do.  So when I sell or give my extra tickets to Panthers fans then I have done all I can do.

seriously I want to know how PSL people feel about this 

[panthers55]

5 minutes ago, faninsc said:

ll ask you this-

1- do you notice how lame our home crowds are for Panthers games? the empty seats, the subdued noise, the thousands of opposing teams fans ext.

Yes, I do notice the home crowds since I have been at all but a handful of home games since 2005.  I can only answer for me.  See my earlier response.  I do my part as a fan and a "PSL people" and my seats are in the upper level where we say the "real fans are (LOL!)".

2- if you acknowledge this, how do you account for it?...surely PSL owners deserve a whole hell of a lot of blame for this...statistically I can prove they do.

I have no clue personally.  I can only answer for me.  I have read posts on CH that offer explanations and all have seemed reasonable. Once again, I do my part as a fan.  I do believe that one reason is that the organization is very young compared to other NFL organizations.  I was very excited when JR was awarded the franchise - I finally had a football team to pull for!  My nephew is a Panthers fan because I took him to training camp and then to games.  He is 30 years old now.  From day 1 there was no question the Panthers would be my team. 

3- do you care about any of these observations?

I am a fan and would love to see a Panthers fan in every seat.  Realistically that just isn't going to happen.  I can't control what other PSL owners do.  I can't control who purchases the single game tickets when they go on sale.  I can control what I do.  So when I sell or give my extra tickets to Panthers fans then I have done all I can do.

seriously I want to know how PSL people feel about this 

Part of the problem in asking PSL folks on this site is that we are not your typical PSL fan.  Most folks here are pretty rabid.