Steve Smith

[SamMills4Life]

Cam's the consensus MVP of the NFL, and you weak ass fans are saying "He isn't there yet."  There isn't a QB in the league that won't miss the easy passes every now and then, yet the fan base expects perfection. SMH

[tiger7_88]

7 hours ago, stankowalski said:

He was right with everything he said.  One thing I didn't agree with was the guy that said Cam "has all the throws".  He didn't then and doesn't now.  He still struggles with those touch passes (as evidenced by the throw to Olsen yesterday on 4th down).  

Cam had multiple defenders bearing down on him at full speed with bad intentions.

Cam was running AWAY from the natural throwing motion of his body at full speed.

Cam had to be sure he threw it OVER the linebacker between he and Olsen.

And according to kowalski, Cam "struggled" with that throw.

You're a piece of work, you know that? lol

[stankowalski]

And you're the biggest Cam homer out there we all know that.  You should learn to take other opinions a little better.  I call it like I see it, doesn't mean I think Cam is a bad QB.  Quite the opposite.  You won't find a post by me calling for Cam to be benched, or he sucks because of this or that.  I've repeatedly said he's a top QB and I personally only put him behind Brady, which I'm sure you'll disagree with that (which is fine because you're entitled to your opinion).  

I'm curious...did you become a fan when Cam was drafted or were you a fan before?  I've been on this board since pretty much the beginning and I don't remember you on here before Cam.  Not that you need to be a member of this board to be a fan...but I'm curious just the same.

And as for that throw, I never said it wasn't a difficult one.  That's just the sort of throw he has struggled with in the past, with or without defenders "bearing down on him with bad intentions."  He's gotten better this year but it's obvious he still needs work on those and I'm sure he'd admit it himself.  

And by the way you sound just as ridiculous to me when you rage in gameday threads whenever a play goes bad, particularly on the offensive side.  And I suspect your disdain for Shula stems from your love of Cam.  Gain some perspective and those tantrums in the gameday threads might subside a little.

[t96]

10 hours ago, stankowalski said:

LOL why are you guys getting bent out of shape over this?  I was merely pointing out that the guy who said Cam had all the throws was wrong.  Brady has all the throws, Rodgers has all the throws.  Cam doesn't...yet, but I think he will.  I personally think Cam is an elite talent too, so the fact that he can STILL improve isn't an indictment of him.  

And for the record I think Cam has the possibility of becoming one of the best QB's of all time.  So let's not get bent out of shape right now because I have an opinion that may be different than you or anybody else.

Brady has no deep ball. Never has. His only throw is short-intermediate passes. I'll take Cam's deep ball over Brady's soft short little sh*t passes every single day. Just need a WR who can catch them every time he lays a dime in the bread basket, cause Ginn can't.

[stankowalski]

23 minutes ago, thomas96 said:

Brady has no deep ball. Never has. His only throw is short-intermediate passes. I'll take Cam's deep ball over Brady's soft short little sh*t passes every single day. Just need a WR who can catch them every time he lays a dime in the bread basket, cause Ginn can't.

Randy Moss would disagree.  I think Cam can throw it further and with just as good accuracy on deep throws though.

[t96]

2 minutes ago, stankowalski said:

Randy Moss would disagree.  I think Cam can throw it further and with just as good accuracy on deep throws though.

No he wouldn't. Brady's deep ball was not good even with Moss. Moss bailed Brady out a sh*tload with his 2 car garage sized catch radius and clamps for hands. Cam with a Moss or Calvin Johnson if he threw the ball 600+ times would give one of them 2,000 receiving yards in a year. Moss didn't even get 1,500 in Brady's best season (he had a shitload of TDs though, I'll give him that) and less than his career average in yards/reception.

[stankowalski]

Dude I've SEEN Brady throw long passes plenty of times.  No it's not the main point of their offense but spare me the bullshit plz.

[SgtJoo]

Smitty was surpisingly eloquent there

[Jmac]

No such thing as 'perfection'. Only mastery of an action A.k.A: master painter, master violin musician, etc.

Cam is well on his way to mastering his position. Still only twenty six.

[Cat]

Great find

[tiger7_88]

8 hours ago, stankowalski said:

And you're the biggest Cam homer out there we all know that.  You should learn to take other opinions a little better.  I call it like I see it

In this and lots of other cases, your vision sucks.

 

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I'm curious...did you become a fan when Cam was drafted or were you a fan before?  I've been on this board since pretty much the beginning and I don't remember you on here before Cam.  Not that you need to be a member of this board to be a fan...but I'm curious just the same.

I am 53 years old, so it was impossible for me to grow up a Panthers fan so, yes, I was a fan of another NFL team for most of my life.  That team got a new owner that I despised, he developed a relationship with his QB that I despised, then I saw them draft year after year in a disastrous way that I despised.  That and, yes, the Panthers drafting Cam created a new Panthers fan.  

Not that that makes any difference at all. 

 

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And I suspect your disdain for Shula stems from your love of Cam.

Here's my "disdain" for Shula from another forum where I responded to a Bama fan about Shula.

http://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/display.aspx?sp=60687773&s=2&p=60684815#60687773

Happy to help.

[FootballMaestro]

12 hours ago, tiger7_88 said:

Cam had multiple defenders bearing down on him at full speed with bad intentions.

Cam was running AWAY from the natural throwing motion of his body at full speed.

Cam had to be sure he threw it OVER the linebacker between he and Olsen.

And according to kowalski, Cam "struggled" with that throw.

You're a piece of work, you know that? lol

Plus, it was 4th Freaking Down!!

The game was on the line for all the marbles, after he just ran across the field to boot. How many other QB's could have pulled off that throw to begin with!?

Let's be honest. When most people watch NFL games, and a QB completes a pass, it's over (even if it's a poor throw, spectacular catch). On to the next one. Right!?

However, when Cam Newton completes a pass (even on 4th down with the game, and undefeated season on the line), its' dissected and we're told how "it wasn't a perfect pass, and 'this is the reason why he's got stuff to work on'. It's context.

Why in the world would someone say that under those circumstances, when you should just be happy a pass was completed, continuing the game and the Panthers undefeated season.

Weird/Strange folks; fans!

[tiger7_88]

13 minutes ago, FootballMaestro said:

Plus, it was 4th Freaking Down!!

The game was on the line for all the marbles, after he just ran across the field to boot. How many other QB's could have pulled off that throw to begin with!?

Let's be honest. When most people watch NFL games, and a QB completes a pass, it's over (even if it's a poor throw, spectacular catch). On to the next one. Right!?

However, when Cam Newton completes a pass (even on 4th down with the game, and undefeated season on the line), its' dissected and we're told how "it wasn't a perfect pass, and 'this is the reason why he's got stuff to work on'. It's context.

Why in the world would someone say that under those circumstances, when you should just be happy a pass was completed, continuing the game and the Panthers undefeated season.

Weird/Strange folks; fans!

Plus (and I'm not trying to be critical of Olsen here), what do most QBs expect receivers to do when a QB is scrambling under pressure?

Come BACK to the ball, right?

Well, Olsen wasn't coming back, he was still moving DOWNfield.  Which is another reason (other than the ones I've mentioned) that the pass was a little short.

But, in the end, GREAT throw, GREAT catch, by two GREAT players.

[tiger7_88]

16 minutes ago, FootballMaestro said:

Plus, it was 4th Freaking Down!!

The game was on the line for all the marbles, after he just ran across the field to boot. How many other QB's could have pulled off that throw to begin with!?

Oh, additionally, in answer to this question, maybe only one other QB in the league would have had a chance to complete that throw:  Russell Wilson.  POSSIBLY Aaron Rodgers.

Because all of the other QBs in the league would have been sacked on that play.