A Cool Graph about Turnover Differential & Wins

[KB_fan]

11 minutes ago, CoastalCat said:

That's a good idea. Not sure where to find those stats though, and I'm not a member of PFF.

Sporting Charts is free and has the Net Turnover Points data for each team:

http://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats/team-net-turnover-points-statistics/2015/

We had the most take away points; the second-fewest give away points; and totally outpaced the rest of the league in terms of the net turnover points.

 

P.S. there's also a great table at Sporting Charts with much more detailed takeaway and giveaway data:

http://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats/team-takeaway-giveaway-statistics/2015/

[the butch]

3 minutes ago, KB_fan said:

I can try and play with this over the weekend...  I'm not sure I'll promise to make such a fancy graph with the team logos, however...! 

standard data points would be fine . . . haha.  

Other fans tried to tarnish our offense last year, their main argument being our defense would set us up with good field position.  Well, that may be the case.  But at the end of the day, if the team scored off of TOs and didn't turn the ball over/get scored on otherwise, i.e., they were efficient, then it's a wash imo. 

Take those two graphs and superimpose one over the other, and a pretty clear distinction would emerge, I'm guessing.

[CoastalCat]

3 minutes ago, KB_fan said:

I can try and play with this over the weekend...  I'm not sure I'll promise to make such a fancy graph with the team logos, however...! 

Here's another quick fun fact regarding our scheduling side-topic. I know I know, history is no indication of blah blah blah. But...  

Since the re-org, divisions that play the AFC-S/NFC-E schedule...

-have produced multiple playoff teams 50% of the time

-are more likely than not to have a team play in the superb owl

-are more likely than not to have the losing SB team

Crappy graph attached

 

[KB_fan]

4 hours ago, Dick the Butcher said:

Is there a way to do that same graph but for TO "efficiency" instead of straight up turnovers?  I guess I'm saying points scored against and for as a result of turnovers.  I'd like to see how teams positions jockey around.

Ask and you shall receive.   I was stuck at the office this afternoon waiting for a delivery, and so I had time to kill.  Below is a graph, and table with data plotting the net turnover points per team (horizontal axis) against the wins per team (vertical axis). 

Not sure how clear the team logos are, which is why I also included the table.  A few teams data points are identical, or nearly identical, meaning it's impossible to see all the logos. (I also need to find a better source for the GIFs to get rid of the blue background of most of the logos.)

Basically, net turnover points are less clearly correlated with wins than the turnover differential.  In the original turnover differential graph, Denver was the only outlier among the playoff teams - the only one of the 12 playoff teams with a negative turnover differential. 

In looking at net turnover points, there are four playoff teams with negative net turnover points:  Denver, Green Bay, Houston, and Washington.  (FYI: Patriots are hidden below Bengals)

I won't play around with this any further today, but perhaps in a week or so when I post more about our 2015 turnover data, I might revisit this.

[0115]

10 minutes ago, KB_fan said:

Ask and you shall receive.   I was stuck at the office this afternoon waiting for a delivery, and so I had time to kill.  Below is a graph, and table with data plotting the net turnover points per team (horizontal axis) against the wins per team (vertical axis). 

Not sure how clear the team logos are, which is why I also included the table.  A few teams data points are identical, or nearly identical, meaning it's impossible to see all the logos. (I also need to find a better source for the GIFs to get rid of the blue background of most of the logos.)

Basically, net turnover points are less clearly correlated with wins than the turnover differential.  In the original turnover differential graph, Dallas was the only outlier among the playoff teams - the only one of the 12 playoff teams with a negative turnover differential.  (FYI: Patriots are hidden below Bengals)

In looking at net turnover points, there are four playoff teams with negative net turnover points:  Denver, Green Bay, Houston, and Washington.

I won't play around with this any further today, but perhaps in a week or so when I post more about our 2015 turnover data, I might revisit this.

data mmmmmmmm

[the butch]

18 minutes ago, KB_fan said:

Ask and you shall receive.   I was stuck at the office this afternoon waiting for a delivery, and so I had time to kill.  Below is a graph, and table with data plotting the net turnover points per team (horizontal axis) against the wins per team (vertical axis). 

Not sure how clear the team logos are, which is why I also included the table.  A few teams data points are identical, or nearly identical, meaning it's impossible to see all the logos. (I also need to find a better source for the GIFs to get rid of the blue background of most of the logos.)

Basically, net turnover points are less clearly correlated with wins than the turnover differential.  In the original turnover differential graph, Dallas was the only outlier among the playoff teams - the only one of the 12 playoff teams with a negative turnover differential.  (FYI: Patriots are hidden below Bengals)

In looking at net turnover points, there are four playoff teams with negative net turnover points:  Denver, Green Bay, Houston, and Washington.

I won't play around with this any further today, but perhaps in a week or so when I post more about our 2015 turnover data, I might revisit this.

amazing! thank you!

[CoastalCat]

1 hour ago, KB_fan said:

Dallas was the only outlier among the playoff teams - the only one of the 12 playoff teams with a negative turnover differential. 

You mean Denver? I know it is, however, pretty easy to forget who wins dumpster fire that is the NFC-East.

[KB_fan]

2 minutes ago, CoastalCat said:

You mean Denver? I know it is, however, pretty easy to forget who wins dumpster fire that is the NFC-East.

Oops.  Yup.  Denver.  I'll correct it.  Thanks for catching that.  I guess I was too fixated on how awful Dallas was in turnovers last season!

[CoastalCat]

Just now, KB_fan said:

Oops.  Yup.  Denver.  I'll correct it.  Thanks for catching that.  I guess I was too fixated on how awful Dallas was in turnovers last season!

You can truly get lost in the awfulness.

[UpstatePanther]

On 6/2/2016 at 7:13 AM, uncfan888 said:

Cowboys are the anti-panthers haha

Mind blown...

[Razeyfingers]

On 6/2/2016 at 7:00 AM, Jeremy Igo said:

I guess the moral of the story here i to be in the top right of the chart if you want to make the playoffs. Denver is the exception, with Peyton Manning negating the turnovers their defense got. 

 

Also.... look at Dallas.... lol

Doesnt that say they received less turnovers from their D?

 

That means Manning did a better job managing the game than every other QB

[KB_fan]

9 hours ago, Razeyfingers said:

Doesnt that say they received less turnovers from their D?

 

That means Manning did a better job managing the game than every other QB

Denver's defense forced 27 turnovers (takeaways) - 9th best in the league.  However, their offense gave up 31 turnovers (give aways) 3rd worst in the league.  (23 of those were interceptions, mostly thrown by Manning... ) They had the worst # of interceptions in the league.

You can see all the numbers here:

http://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats/team-takeaway-giveaway-statistics/2015/