How much does being a "player's coach" matter?

[Mr. Scot]

Panther players have generally taken an "it's on us" stance when asked about the failures of the 2016 season.

Coaches...wellll, they've tended to agree (especially Rivera).

Yet even so, Rivera, McDermott and even Shula have commonly been supported by the players who have spoken out.

It is, however, worth remembering that back in 2001, players were defending George Seifert when fans were calling for him to be fired.

So the question is this: How much weight do you give the opinions that players express publicly in the evaluation of the coaching staff?

"I take them at their word" or "Well, what else would they say"?

[fieryprophet]

I'll be frank, a lot of times it IS on the players. As frustrating as things have been this season there's been a lot of situations where the right playcall was poorly executed. Fans blame coaches for that problem even though they literally can't force a player to do their job right on every snap.

[Mr. Scot]

17 hours ago, fieryprophet said:

I'll be frank, a lot of times it IS on the players. As frustrating as things have been this season there's been a lot of situations where the right playcall was poorly executed. Fans blame coaches for that problem even though they literally can't force a player to do their job right on every snap.

Valid point.

The hard part is determining when a guy plays poorly vs when he's poorly coached.

[FootballLivesMatter]

Quit making threads

[Mojo]

4 minutes ago, FootballLivesMatter said:

Quit making threads

It's better than your creepy cheerleader thread though

[KillerKat]

How many Super Bowls have player coaches gotten us in 22 years?

[FootballLivesMatter]

8 minutes ago, Mojo said:

It's better than your creepy cheerleader thread though

No it's not. You know that when Jeremy post it up, you're ass will be looking.

[Mojo]

Just now, FootballLivesMatter said:

No it's not. You know that when Jeremy post it up, you're ass will be looking.

You're a special dude.  I'm a real cat though so I probably will if I see it.

[FootballLivesMatter]

23 minutes ago, Mojo said:

You're a special dude.  I'm a real cat though so I probably will if I see it.

You're a stray cat for sure 

[Mojo]

5 minutes ago, FootballLivesMatter said:

You're a stray cat for sure 

Your attempted insults don't even make sense.  Shocking.

[FootballLivesMatter]

20 minutes ago, Mojo said:

Your attempted insults don't even make sense.  Shocking.

Consult with me before you insult 

[the butch]

It's probably the number one consideration in my opinion

[Mr. Scot]

16 minutes ago, Dick the Butcher said:

It's probably the number one consideration in my opinion

Even with Rivera?

[the butch]

4 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Even with Rivera?

Even with him.  Communication is key in everything.  A former player who has won as a player and coach at the highest level has quite a unique insight and ability to know how to move men.  The two others I think of are strategy and team management.  All in that order.