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Derek Barnett letter

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30 minutes ago, gmonjimbo said:

A lot of people are comparing Barnett to our own Charles Johnson. Would I take Charles Johnson at no.8, no. 

CJ 2.0-a better version of CJ with far better hands-is the floor.  Fortunately we wouldn't have to pay "big money" for this premium position for 5 years or risk a prospect from the banana league or barren FA.

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  I'm a big Barnett fan. Time will tell if he can translate his game to the NFL, and no amount of hating by detractors on forums will make any difference. At this stage its hard to see how he will end up at Carolina but you never know.

The other guy who's getting plenty of bad press is Dalvin cook. I think regardless of what you believe about his 'friends' he's gonna be a player in the league also. 

https://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2017/04/25/nfl-draft-dalvin-cook-red-flags-character-concerns-scouts-florida-state-miami-dade

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11 minutes ago, Nails said:

CJ 2.0-a better version of CJ with far better hands-is the floor.  Fortunately we wouldn't have to pay "big money" for this premium position for 5 years or risk a prospect from the banana league or barren FA.

Yea I just don't see it. If he is the pick at 8, I hope I am very wrong. 

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4 minutes ago, SeoulPanther said:

  I'm a big Barnett fan. Time will tell if he can translate his game to the NFL, and no amount of hating by detractors on forums will make any difference. At this stage its hard to see how he will end up at Carolina but you never know.

The other guy who's getting plenty of bad press is Dalvin cook. I think regardless of what you believe about his 'friends' he's gonna be a player in the league also. 

https://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2017/04/25/nfl-draft-dalvin-cook-red-flags-character-concerns-scouts-florida-state-miami-dade

How is it hard to see?  No one is even sure of the #1 pick, much less 1-7.  We have a hole for a young DE bigger than a country mile, and one man alone holds the keys and he's played the draft/smoke screen game for many years.  We'll see.

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5 minutes ago, Nails said:

How is it hard to see?  No one is even sure of the #1 pick, much less 1-7.  We have a hole for a young DE bigger than a country mile, and one man alone holds the keys and he's played the draft/smoke screen game for many years.  We'll see.

   We've had this discussion before. As I said then, I hope you're right. At the same time there are so many people on the huddle who have written him off, that he might turn out to be a seriously divisive pick. And you have to admit that he doesn't really fit the prototypical mold of DE's favoured by DG. Adding to that we are obviously giving a lot of love to bottom of 2nd Tanoh  and Basham. Despite personally wanting Barnett it wouldn't be a surprise to me if we don't select him.

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25 minutes ago, SeoulPanther said:

   We've had this discussion before. As I said then, I hope you're right. At the same time there are so many people on the huddle who have written him off, that he might turn out to be a seriously divisive pick. And you have to admit that he doesn't really fit the prototypical mold of DE's favoured by DG. Adding to that we are obviously giving a lot of love to bottom of 2nd Tanoh  and Basham. Despite personally wanting Barnett it wouldn't be a surprise to me if we don't select him.

I hear ya, but after resigning Addison and the aforementioned CJ, he clearly values production and intangibles, and after getting rid of Ealy, he'll likely look to avoid the same character quirks, which Barnett has none off.

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8 minutes ago, Nails said:

after getting rid of Ealy, he'll likely look to avoid the same character quirks, which Barnett has none off.

   I definitely agree with you on Ealy. In a funny way if there is one thing that Barnett has going in his favour it is that he breaks the mold of Ealy. Clearly Carolina gave up on KE despite him having all the attributes. The question is, do they stick to their formula and see Kony as an aberration, or do they go for a different blend of qualities. If the draft wasn't deep at the position it wouldn't surprise me if they took Barnett. I just can't see it unfortunately. Among other things they would then be forced to pass at top tier RB, and TE, I can see them passing on S and WR early, and that's not even to mention OT and the the temptingly deep CB class. I just don't see how the choice could be rationalised against what DG and RR have said about team evolution.

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2 minutes ago, SeoulPanther said:

   I definitely agree with you on Ealy. In a funny way if there is one thing that Barnett has going in his favour it is that he breaks the mold of Ealy. Clearly Carolina gave up on KE despite him having all the attributes. The question is, do they stick to their formula and see Kony as an aberration, or do they go for a different blend of qualities. If the draft wasn't deep at the position it wouldn't surprise me if they took Barnett. I just can't see it unfortunately. Among other things they would then be forced to pass at top tier RB, and TE, I can see them passing on S and WR early, and that's not even to mention OT and the the temptingly deep CB class. I just don't see how the choice could be rationalised against what DG and RR have said about team evolution.

I do not think they'd pass on Fournette although I'd be equally ecstatic with Barnett, but the positional value of DE, 5th year option for a very high dollar position, and boundless questions in level of competition and otherwise with the other DE prospects HAVE to gnaw at GMan even as we type.

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36 minutes ago, Nails said:

I do not think they'd pass on Fournette although I'd be equally ecstatic with Barnett, but the positional value of DE, 5th year option for a very high dollar position, and boundless questions in level of competition and otherwise with the other DE prospects HAVE to gnaw at GMan even as we type.

 Agreed about the positional value of DE and the 5th year option No question. Just looking at FA and the worth of DE and OT versus other positions.

I am ok with Fournette and even Mccaffrey AT #8. They make sense. I think I will be most dissappointed with Thomas or Allen because they are projections on the edge though of course they are clearly great at what they can do  and are terrific players in their own right. I see Thomas falling and seemingly RR has told him he will be our pick if he falls to 8.That would bother me as a selection over Barnett.

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