What If... Marty Just Did Something That Will Make You Love Him?

[heel31ok]

1 minute ago, Harbingers said:

Facts don’t lie dude, he made so many moves that kept us in posistion. He ran an entirely organized, efficient, intelligent ship. 

DG is Obama, as Hurney is Trump. 

yeah...facts...lol...boring

[Harbingers]

Just now, heel31ok said:

yeah...facts...lol...boring

And that’s why you believe what you believe. It doesn’t have to be right. It just has to keep your fly sized attention span comfortable. 

[heel31ok]

2 minutes ago, Harbingers said:

And that’s why you believe what you believe. It doesn’t have to be right. It just has to keep your fly sized attention span comfortable. 

you are still boring ...no matter who's attention span you are begging to to comfort...

[KendrickPanther]

Kb wasn't the ideal No.1 for many reasons. But you dont trade your best WR for future draft picks with a 5-3 record.

Bad message to team. Bad compensation. Find a better way.

[heel31ok]

1 minute ago, KendrickPanther said:

Kb wasn't the ideal No.1 for many reasons. But you dont trade your best WR for future draft picks with a 5-3 record.

Bad message to team. Bad compensation. Find a better way.

absolutely... it makes it look like we are giving up on the season already...

[simmonsab]

8 minutes ago, The Righteous Troll said:

That proves my point even more as to why I'm glad Gettleman is gone. Throwing money at a bust for another team.

Gettleman did some good things and he was in "cap hell" so I judged him more on drafts so I'm not a fan at all

 

Definitely -- I wasn't disagreeing with you at all! I think we're making smaller points to a bigger agreement -- Gettleman is pathetic. The worst thing we did was bring back Hurney to run the team again. 

Gettleman deserved to be gone. Not signing Norman (although I have a take on that I'll explain after this), and then being on the record for not wanting to resign TD and Greg after this season. In my eyes, loyalty is key, especially with those 2. I don't think we can name a more consistent duo in the past 5 years than those 2 have been for us. Gettleman's drafts were the Matt Kalil argument, "average, at best." We had a few key pickups, but when you have the opportunity to take guys (JARVIS LANDRY AND THE HONEY BADGER), you have to do it. I know, in Charlotte, our style isn't these troubled players, but cmon...you need football players. I prefer Gettleman over Hurney, but if I had to pick either, I think I'd just go ahead and retire. 

 

Josh Norman take: While agreed that we should have resigned Norman, I'm not against pulling the Franchise Tag. We needed Norman, but does one year prove anything? Yes, he was rated the top corner during our Super Bowl run, but one year proves nothing in my eyes. We say this now because of his play in Washington. Although we needed Norman, he said this after we revoked the FT: "I wanted to be a Panther forever." Okay, if you wanted to do that, we were going to pay you. Why not just sign the FT to begin with and discuss long term, instead of being greedy and complaining about more money, for the time being. We would have paid him for sure, but it was all timing. 

But overall, I think we agree. 

[Harbingers]

6 minutes ago, heel31ok said:

you are still boring ...no matter who's attention span you are begging to to comfort...

That doesn’t even make any sense. 

[heel31ok]

3 minutes ago, Harbingers said:

That doesn’t even make any sense. 

bless your heart...

[heel31ok]

9 minutes ago, simmonsab said:

Definitely -- I wasn't disagreeing with you at all! I think we're making smaller points to a bigger agreement -- Gettleman is pathetic. The worst thing we did was bring back Hurney to run the team again. 

Gettleman deserved to be gone. Not signing Norman (although I have a take on that I'll explain after this), and then being on the record for not wanting to resign TD and Greg after this season. In my eyes, loyalty is key, especially with those 2. I don't think we can name a more consistent duo in the past 5 years than those 2 have been for us. Gettleman's drafts were the Matt Kalil argument, "average, at best." We had a few key pickups, but when you have the opportunity to take guys (JARVIS LANDRY AND THE HONEY BADGER), you have to do it. I know, in Charlotte, our style isn't these troubled players, but cmon...you need football players. I prefer Gettleman over Hurney, but if I had to pick either, I think I'd just go ahead and retire. 

 

Josh Norman take: While agreed that we should have resigned Norman, I'm not against pulling the Franchise Tag. We needed Norman, but does one year prove anything? Yes, he was rated the top corner during our Super Bowl run, but one year proves nothing in my eyes. We say this now because of his play in Washington. Although we needed Norman, he said this after we revoked the FT: "I wanted to be a Panther forever." Okay, if you wanted to do that, we were going to pay you. Why not just sign the FT to begin with and discuss long term, instead of being greedy and complaining about more money, for the time being. We would have paid him for sure, but it was all timing. 

But overall, I think we agree. 

I didn't like G-man but I wouldn't say pathetic... he did some good things but overall he wasn't  flexible enough to adapt to the changing situations...I think he would be a great asst GM ...

 

[The Righteous Troll]

18 minutes ago, Harbingers said:

Facts don’t lie dude, he made so many moves that kept us in posistion. He ran an entirely organized, efficient, intelligent ship. 

DG is Obama, as Hurney is Trump. 

You gotta name some names sir. Roman Harper and Charles Tillman were some decent scrap heap signing but you can't point to one of Gettleman's signing and go "He is the reason we are in the playoffs every year" except maybe Short....maybe

[simmonsab]

17 minutes ago, heel31ok said:

again, show the numbers for cap hell, what do you consider cap hell?

Okay, here. From Spotrac.com:

2011: Our Max Salary was $123,175,000. Total Cap: $122,157,561, with our estimated offseason cap at $1,017,439. 

2012: Max: $120,600,000. Total: $127,403,460, with estimated offseason cap at $-6,803,460. DEAD CAP: $6,123,007

2013: Max: $127,336,381. Total: $109,976,646, with $17,359,735 and DEAD: $18,607,423 (WE HAD NOTHING TO SPEND).

2014: Max: $138,...... . Total: $133,........ , with a little above 5 million, and DEAD: $27,........

The list goes on and on. We were in cap hell. 

[simmonsab]

4 minutes ago, The Righteous Troll said:

You gotta name some names sir. Roman Harper and Charles Tillman were some decent scrap heap signing but you can't point to one of Gettleman's signing and go "He is the reason we are in the playoffs every year" except maybe Short....maybe

Ted Ginn and Mike Mitchell are 2 others. I still wish we had Ted Ginn -- Cam's favorite deep threat and the X-Factor to the 15-1 year. Mitchell played good for a year before getting that outrageous contract with Pitt. But then you make other moves and just scratch your head. 

[Harbingers]

8 minutes ago, heel31ok said:

bless your heart...

 

3 minutes ago, simmonsab said:

Okay, here. From Spotrac.com:

2011: Our Max Salary was $123,175,000. Total Cap: $122,157,561, with our estimated offseason cap at $1,017,439. 

2012: Max: $120,600,000. Total: $127,403,460, with estimated offseason cap at $-6,803,460. DEAD CAP: $6,123,007

2013: Max: $127,336,381. Total: $109,976,646, with $17,359,735 and DEAD: $18,607,423 (WE HAD NOTHING TO SPEND).

2014: Max: $138,...... . Total: $133,........ , with a little above 5 million, and DEAD: $27,........

The list goes on and on. We were in cap hell. 

Due entirely to Hurney. But some people just don’t have the IQ to see back 5 minutes ago. 

[Harbingers]

7 minutes ago, The Righteous Troll said:

You gotta name some names sir. Roman Harper and Charles Tillman were some decent scrap heap signing but you can't point to one of Gettleman's signing and go "He is the reason we are in the playoffs every year" except maybe Short....maybe

You aren’t looking at the team as a whole.