Playoff Thread

[pantherphan96]

12 minutes ago, JakeDel5674 said:

He won't be, because of the Titles. You can't be the GOAT of anything with a losing record. Don't live in the moment like all these other teenagers. DO NOT DO IT. 

So because Jordan lost more in the playoffs before the Finals he's better than LeBron? LeBron will have more Finals appearances with worse supporting casts than Jordan ever had.

[pantherphan96]

12 minutes ago, JakeDel5674 said:

The Cavs will get beat next round. They're having trouble with fuging Indiana for fugs sake. 

They are better than the Wizards and have owned the Raps in the past. Until I see it, I doubt any team can take out the King.

[JakeDel5674]

1 minute ago, pantherphan96 said:

So because Jordan lost more in the playoffs before the Finals he's better than LeBron? LeBron will have more Finals appearances with worse supporting casts than Jordan ever had.

Wrong, wrong. MJ won two Titles with ZERO All-Stars around him. 91, and 98. Bulls only had one all-star both years, MJ. So, any other thing you want to be wrong about?

[pantherphan96]

28 minutes ago, JakeDel5674 said:

Wrong, wrong. MJ won two Titles with ZERO All-Stars around him. 91, and 98. Bulls only had one all-star both years, MJ. So, any other thing you want to be wrong about?

Pippen > Kevin Love, or 30+ y/o Wade. Not even counting Rodman, the best rebounder in the league and 1st team All Defense selection throughout his stint with the Bulls during the 3peat. 

[JakeDel5674]

4 minutes ago, pantherphan96 said:

Pippen > Kevin Love, or 30+ y/o Wade. Not even counting Rodman, the best rebounder in the league and 1st team All Defense selection throughout his stint with the Bulls during the 3peat. 

Wades going to the Hall of Fame as the third best SG of all time Pippen's not even in the Top 3 for best SF's. LOLZ, try again. Let's also ignore Kyrie Irving and Ray Allen huh? One is a certified Hall of Famer, the other is on his way. LeBron has had an All-Star besides himself on every one of his Championship teams. LOL. Two actually for every Championship. LOLZ. While Jordan won without one twice. Keep trying kid. You'll keep being wrong, but it's funny to see you try. 

[pantherphan96]

5 minutes ago, JakeDel5674 said:

Wades going to the Hall of Fame as the third best SG of all time Pippen's not even in the Top 3 for best SF's. LOLZ, try again. Let's also ignore Kyrie Irving and Ray Allen huh? One is a certified Hall of Famer, the other is on his way. LeBron has had an All-Star besides himself on every one of his Championship teams. LOL. Two actually for every Championship. LOLZ. While Jordan won without one twice. Keep trying kid. You'll keep being wrong, but it's funny to see you try. 

Wade was a shell of himself in the playoffs after LeBron's first two seasons with the Heat, 17 ppg from your 2nd best player? Not good enough.

Allen was the old sharpshooter on the Heat, equivalent to Steve Kerr on Jordan's 2nd 3peat. Kyrie is a fantastic scorer but a complete liability on the other end of the floor, but he is easily LeBron's best teammate from any of his championship teams.

While LeBron may have had more All-Stars as teammates and played with guys who will eventually end up in the HOF, it's pretty telling that even in his NBA Finals losses (excluding 2011) he played out of his mind:

 

2007 NBA Finals (Lost 4-0) - one of the worst supporting casts in NBA history to make the NBA Finals- Jordan never even played on a team this bad.

 

2014 NBA Finals (Lost 4-1 to a team with 4 possible HOFs- Duncan, Kawhi, Parker, Ginobli) - avg. 28/8/4/2 on 57/52/79 splits

 

2015 NBA Finals (Lost 4-2 without Kyrie and Kevin Love; Mozgov-Shumpert-Delladova all were starters) - avg. 36/13/9/1.3 playing almost 46 minutes per game. -- 1st player to ever lead both teams in points, assists, and rebounds

 

2017 NBA Finals (Lost 4-1 to easily the most stacked team of the 2000s and possibly ever) - avg. 34/12/10/1.4 on 56/39/65 splits- 1st player to ever average a triple double in Finals history

 

if you believe MJ is the GOAT, that's fine, but LeBron's record in the Finals (outside of the 2011 Finals) is the result of having weaker supporting casts than his Finals opponent for 4 of his 5 losses.

[JakeDel5674]

25 minutes ago, pantherphan96 said:

2007 NBA Finals (Lost 4-0) - one of the worst supporting casts in NBA history to make the NBA Finals- Jordan never even played on a team this bad.

This one always gets me. The EAST was the weakest it's ever been in NBA history. The Detroit Pistons made the ECF and they didn't even have Ben Wallace. They had a 35 year old Elden Campbell as their Center. 

That 2015 Finals the Cavs were up 2-1 in that Series. I don't want to hear those excuses, LeBron gave up in that one. Jordan would've averaged 50+ if he had to win a Series like that. Simple as that. 

He averaged all that poo while losing. Jordan averaged 41, 9, and 6 while winning in the Finals. So, I can throw you stats like that at you, but the difference is, Jordan won. And he beat at least one Hall of Famer each time. LeBron has had at least one Hall of Famer each time he's been in the Finals. Jordans last Title, again, ZERO All-Stars on that team. LeBron has yet to win a Championship without an All-Star. Or Hell two for each time he won it. He's had more help, plus, Jordan didn't join up with his buddies to win poo. Simple as that man. 

[Porn Shop Clerk]

To be fair, Pippen was a hell of a lot better than most of the superstars in the league right now.

[JakeDel5674]

18 hours ago, Porn Shop Clerk said:

To be fair, Pippen was a hell of a lot better than most of the superstars in the league right now.

I disagree with that. Only made 7 All-Star appearances. Wade has made 12. Averaged 17 ppg for his career. Most All-Stars have averaged over that for their entire careers. Shot 70 percent for his career at the line. That's a knock on LeBron, so, you have to knock Scottie for it as well. I love Scottie, but man, we overrate the Hell out of this guy now. 

[JakeDel5674]

@pantherphan96 This is your KANG huh? This is your GOAT? 30 point losses in the First Round to Victor Oladipo & Domantis Sabonis? In his prime? THAT'S your KANG? LOLZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

[Porn Shop Clerk]

2 hours ago, JakeDel5674 said:

I disagree with that. Only made 7 All-Star appearances. Wade has made 12. Averaged 17 ppg for his career. Most All-Stars have averaged over that for their entire careers. Shot 70 percent for his career at the line. That's a knock on LeBron, so, you have to knock Scottie for it as well. I love Scottie, but man, we overrate the Hell out of this guy now. 

He was overshadowed by Jordan his entire career.

[djp14]

After watching Donovan Mitchell last night, I find myself using the Cleveland Browns/Carson Wentz rationalization: "He wouldn't have done any of that if he had come here."   Which is why Clifford had to go. 

At least there's still the chance that Monk might turn out to be something. Unlike Kaminsky. 

[JakeDel5674]

4 hours ago, Porn Shop Clerk said:

He was overshadowed by Jordan his entire career.

Dude was good. But, not as good as LeBron stans make him out to be. 

[Porn Shop Clerk]

Yeah the Bulls were a long way from the Lakers big 3, but they were on their last legs at the time. At least until they got Rodman.  Prime Bulls vs Prime Lakeshow would have been a thing to watch.