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Panthers offensive pace - Skill positions


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Just now, Snake said:

That's our problem. We have two RB/WRs who can't stretch the field. At some point we need a good WR. 

Can't stretch the field... ? Are we watching the same games? Samuel and Moore are getting behind defenses, the SF game included 

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1 hour ago, mav1234 said:

Can't stretch the field... ? Are we watching the same games? Samuel and Moore are getting behind defenses, the SF game included 

The problem is Kyle Allen isn't great deep. He's better than Cam when Cam was hurt because he has the capability to do it, but he frequently underthrows and puts receivers in tricky situations. On short/intermediate he's great and that's where Moore and Samuel are doing most of the damage, especially after the catch.

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