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Carolina sticking with Cam

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Just so we’re clear, we’re all speculating, so that’s my speculation. My starting point has always been this: He’s under contract, and he’s rehabbing. That’s my starting point when I branch out and do analysis on what’s going on.

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Just now, ellis said:

Just so we’re clear, we’re all speculating, so that’s my speculation. My starting point has always been this: He’s under contract, and he’s rehabbing. That’s my starting point when I branch out and do analysis on what’s going on.

You are taking it one step further by suggesting he is still here in 5 years.  I cannot picture any scenario where that is the case. 

Does he get a new deal with us at 8-8?  Probably not.  10-6.  Maybe. 

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What if he plays in 2020 under his current contract.

He puts up good numbers. He makes a deep playoff run. What then?

I know the world believes that the team is going to be terrible by default. I’m just trying to examine every angle. 

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What if he plays in 2020 under his current contract.

He puts up good numbers. He makes a deep playoff run. What then?

I know the world believes that the team is going to be terrible by default. I’m just trying to examine every angle. 

You know as well as I do that isnt going to happen.  It just isnt.  Without me looking it up, has a team ever been projected to be one of the worst 100-1 odds for super bowl and made a run in the playoffs?  I am sure it has probably happened at some point but holy hell there is no way it happens to the panthers in 2020.  Just no way

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3 minutes ago, ellis said:

What if he plays in 2020 under his current contract.

He puts up good numbers. He makes a deep playoff run. What then?

I know the world believes that the team is going to be terrible by default. I’m just trying to examine every angle. 

If we have a deep playoff run with this roster and a bunch of inexperienced college coaches at the helm, what happens is that I wake up and say "Man, what a crazy dream."

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I’m suggesting he has some years left in the tank. My window? Five years.

I know that seems optimistic. I also never said those five years would be played in Carolina.

Now, let me ask you a question: can we name a few examples of a team moving a franchise QB out at 31 y/o? Perhaps it’s happened. Or perhaps, you believe that his version of “31” is really like “39”.

And I understand that concern. But, at the same time, from the tape: Cam is not limited to being a running quarterback. It’s certainly a great dynamic to employ, but his contributions extend beyond that at this point. You’re talking about MVP caliber football before TJ speared his wing in 2018. 

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3 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

You know as well as I do that isnt going to happen.  It just isnt.  Without me looking it up, has a team ever been projected to be one of the worst 100-1 odds for super bowl and made a run in the playoffs?  I am sure it has probably happened at some point but holy hell there is no way it happens to the panthers in 2020.  Just no way

That’s fair. I’m not going to rip your opinion. It’s been the common narrative. I feel that Newton, with the weapons on offense, can put this team on a competitive track. 

I’m probably just watching too much tape. Probably should just read more articles. 

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5 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

If we have a deep playoff run with this roster and a bunch of inexperienced college coaches at the helm, what happens is that I wake up and say "Man, what a crazy dream."

It’s a quarterback league. You need good play at that position to compete. They already have a good quarterback. He got hurt. He’s rehabbing. 

The only thing that has gotten everybody fired up is the way the owner handled the narrative. 

My concern isn’t as much about Cam. I’ve made my feelings known: he’s too young to ditch at this point. 

But what’s the plan? Hopefully suck bad enough to have a shot at Trevor? And hope, at the same time, he doesn’t get hurt? And hope, by some chance, you don’t happen to squeeze a few too many wins out?

I haven’t seen one reliable analytics piece that supports that strategy.

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1 minute ago, ellis said:

It’s a quarterback league. You need good play that position to compete. 

My concern isn’t as much about Cam. I’ve made my feelings known: he’s too young to ditch at this point. 

But what’s the plan? Hopefully suck bad enough to have a shot at Trevor? And hope, at the same time, he doesn’t get hurt. And hope, by some chance, you don’t happens to squeeze a few too many wins out?

I haven’t seen one reliable analytics piece that supports that strategy.

His chronological age doesn't concern me anywhere near as much as his physical condition.

Take a career boxer / fighter at age 30 and a career physical trainer at age 40. They'll both have spent a lot of their time doing conditioning, but one of them will also have taken numerous beatings.

That's my concern.

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2 minutes ago, ellis said:

It’s a quarterback league. You need good play that position to compete. 

My concern isn’t as much about Cam. I’ve made my feelings known: he’s too young to ditch at this point. 

But what’s the plan? Hopefully suck bad enough to have a shot at Trevor? And hope, at the same time, he doesn’t get hurt. And hope, by some chance, you don’t happens to squeeze a few too many wins out?

I haven’t seen one reliable analytics piece that supports that strategy.

In 2019 preseason super bowl odds showed the Giants, redskins, bengals, dolphins and Cardinals as having the statistically longest odds.  Guess where 4 of the 5 are drafting.  At the top of the draft.  Guess where the preseason odds show the panthers at?  We may not get the 1 but we can get close enough to trade up if we have to. 

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6 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

His chronological age doesn't concern me anywhere near as much as his physical condition.

Take a career boxer / fighter at age 30 and a career physical trainer at age 40. They'll both have spent a lot of their time doing conditioning, but one of them will also have taken numerous beatings.

That's my concern.

We’ve discussed that before. I understand the concern. I think his injuries are more of a case of crappy luck and isolated incidents. 

 

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We’ve discussed that before. I understand the concern. I think his injuries are more of a case of crappy luck and isolated incidents. 

That's possible. I don't really think it's likely though. Sticking him behind what we're likely to have for an offensive line doesn't really make me feel any better.

Truth be told, Thomas Davis is right. That might not be a great thing for us, but objectively it's true that he'd likely be better off elsewhere.

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