I HAD To Make A Thread On This In Comparison To 05 Defense, I'm Sorry

[mountainpantherfan]

I really think the zone defense comes from the lack of pressure we get on the QB. But there is also reason to question the gameplanning as well.

So in doing so, why is Tragovac getting all the heat. I know he is an easy target but shouldn't we also be questioning Lewis as well? The guy is incharge of the secondary and like Beaston said, this isn't the type of coverage we were using back in 05. Let's not forget that Lewis was fired as the DC in NY for a reason.

[N1kkadeemuz]

Prevent D is what I've heard. Prevent big yard plays. Playing off to me is just giving receivers short yardage, which keeps drives going. Playing man to man/press coverage gives receivers what they earn. They have to fight their way to gain yards by going through you. There should be times we play off, then it should be times we dont. We play off all the time

I'm pretty sure the coaching staff watches film all week long. They make adjustments to the defense week to week. The difference from the defense and that one is directly connected to this:

Julius Peppers

Brenston Buckner

Kris Jenkins

Mike Rucker

An effective pass rush+blitz=int

"one of these things is not like the other"

[Fish]

Prevent D is what I've heard. Prevent big yard plays. Playing off to me is just giving receivers short yardage, which keeps drives going. Playing man to man/press coverage gives receivers what they earn. They have to fight their way to gain yards by going through you. There should be times we play off, then it should be times we dont. We play off all the time

I know what a prevent D is, and no I'm not talking about that. Sorry for the confusion. The soft zone or playing off the receiver leaves the short pass open, since the corner is more than 5 yards away from the receiver, rather than right up next to them like in your videos and in press coverage. I am still asking if playing off the receiver is the reason we have 1 pass interference call because we are not bumping and pushing the receiver at all. Playing off the receiver should also help prevent the big play, since the corner could not be beat at the line. These questions are still in my head.

[beastson]

Yea, it should be. If we aren't being physical with them, how can they call that much penalties on the back field

I also like to mention Lewis too. How much control does he have over it. Good question

People are right about the difference of a pass rush back in 05. We had a good pass rush. Us jamming the receivers helped the pass rush get there because the QB had to hurry and throw. And sometimes he forced it, so the INT started coming. I totally forgot all about that

But I still dont think we should play off all the time. It should be mixed up

We have Taylor back at practice and Johnson coming on. I really think we should go after Haynesworth in the off season, if we can

[Chris]

The difference is that we are looking one way now in hopes of being a different beast when it matters. Why show everything on film when you know you have the talent and ability to be a completely different team come crunch time?

With that said, I think everyone misses what Fox wants this team to do: stop the run. The DBs expect the run more than the pass, and our entire backfield (LBs, CBs, safeties) are playing a reaction-based defense, where we do not act until we're absolutely sure where the play is going, which also makes us appear incompetent when a big hole opens in the middle/corners of the field.

I've noticed, time and time again, that most of our opponents leave the field not because we've made a big play, but because their WRs drop the ball. I don't know if this is because their timing routes are off with a little QB pressure or if Gamble/Lucas are that intimidating (!), but it happens more times than an int/sack/fumble. We need to have our Allstate persona active this postseason, with all of our DBs having, "Good Hands," and that will change based on the amount of deflections we do appear to be making.

[ShutDwn]

Yea, it should be. If we aren't being physical with them, how can they call that much penalties on the back field

I also like to mention Lewis too. How much control does he have over it. Good question

People are right about the difference of a pass rush back in 05. We had a good pass rush. Us jamming the receivers helped the pass rush get there because the QB had to hurry and throw. And sometimes he forced it, so the INT started coming. I totally forgot all about that

But I still dont think we should play off all the time. It should be mixed up

We have Taylor back at practice and Johnson coming on. I really think we should go after Haynesworth in the off season, if we can

Bumping helps the pass rush, but the pass rush is the key still. Bumping receivers when you have our pass rush isn't smart.

Our current defensive philosophy is that we don't think that a team can execute 10 consecutive plays without making that one mistake that ruins a drive. Well, news flash, a lot of these teams can do it, and also have the offensive capability to still make a first down after a mistake like a holding call or sack. We got away with it against Cutler because they didn't have the run game, and I don't think he has the patience yet to keep taking those 8 yard hitches.

We don't like giving up the big play, but we are content in giving up a 10 play drive too much. The problem right now is we aren't stiffening at all in the redzone.

Whats the difference between a 10 play 80 yard drive and a 5 play 80 yard drive? Not much to me, I actually think a 10 play drive is more demoralizing and tiring.

At some point during a game, you have to say, they are moving the ball too easily and we can't just sit back and let them do what they want. You have to figure they are going to score anyway. Blitzing isn't always the big risk it is made out to be, you aren't going to give up a TD every time.

You have to force a turnover, we rarely make a QB gamble on a throw, they have too much time to find the safe throw. You have to pressure them to make the mistake.

[Davidson Deac II]

I'm pretty sure the coaching staff watches film all week long. They make adjustments to the defense week to week. The difference from the defense and that one is directly connected to this:

Julius Peppers

Brenston Buckner

Kris Jenkins

Mike Rucker

An effective pass rush+blitz=int

"one of these things is not like the other"

Jenkins was out most of the season in 05.

Regardless, you are correct. Rucker and Al Wallace made a tremendous difference in our rush.

[Wither]

The problem is they just aren't changing anything up, as has been said. You can't give teams the same thing all the time, as they all watch film and will exploit your consistency.

Protecting against the big plays isn't such a bad strategy; everyone has their own view of what kind of defense is best, anyway. A big problem in my mind is that when playing zone, do the players move away from their zones at all? If the defensive line isn't getting any penetration and the linebackers are playing against the pass in zone, then the QB obviously has a lot of time to make a decision. This also means that the play has developed and the routes have become relatively obvious. Play zone, but go to man? I don't know what the defense has been doing, to be honest; usually the defense executes and the offense gets the ball back, so I don't usually watch the defense too much.

[AKPantherFan]

why again did we cut Wallace? He did a great job for us.(IMO)

Poor decision making with defensive personel is why we are in the situation we are in. Plain and simple.

Everyone knew we were weak at DT, last week it was exposed. We had plenty of money to sign some more FA's but didnt. We are going to have to do the best with what we have.

[Davidson Deac II]

why again did we cut Wallace? He did a great job for us.(IMO)

Poor decision making with defensive personel is why we are in the situation we are in. Plain and simple.

Everyone knew we were weak at DT, last week it was exposed. We had plenty of money to sign some more FA's but didnt. We are going to have to do the best with what we have.

Wallace tailed off a bit in 06. I think he knees got worn out, or there was some other medical problem. Can't complain about us cutting him since no other NFL team has picked him up.

[goodlay]

why again did we cut Wallace? He did a great job for us.(IMO)

Poor decision making with defensive personel is why we are in the situation we are in. Plain and simple.

Everyone knew we were weak at DT, last week it was exposed. We had plenty of money to sign some more FA's but didnt. We are going to have to do the best with what we have.

Yeah, what a terrible situation, 11-4, and having a shot at clinching the NFC South and the #2 seed in the playoffs.

We faced the best OL in the league last week, plain and simple. We got manhandled, get over it. That doesn't make our DL all of a sudden poor or shitty, we just lost to the best.

[Kit]

I agree that we're pretty thin at DT this year. That's one position we definitely should upgrade in the offseason.

[AKPantherFan]

Yeah, what a terrible situation, 11-4, and having a shot at clinching the NFC South and the #2 seed in the playoffs.

We faced the best OL in the league last week, plain and simple. We got manhandled, get over it. That doesn't make our DL all of a sudden poor or sh*tty, we just lost to the best.

Your missing the point. We were thin at DT in week 1. We were thin in TC. We just got exposed last week.

Basicly, we got what we deserved for not being BETTER prepared. We will bounce back, but it was the product of not getting the depth we needed at the position during the offseason.

Its not the end of the world.

[goodlay]

Your missing the point. We were thin at DT in week 1. We were thin in TC. We just got exposed last week.

Basicly, we got what we deserved for not being BETTER prepared. We will bounce back, but it was the product of not getting the depth we needed at the position during the offseason.

Its not the end of the world.

In week 1 we were thin at DT? We had 5, and all are solid. Yeah, now we are thin, seeing all of them are banged up, but you can't blame that on coaching or personnel failure, that's just bad luck.

When did I state it was the end of the world? My post was sarcastic, and the part about getting dominated by their OL is true. Do I think we're screwed now? Of course not, I've had a feeling about this team since TC that they could go far, and no one should be calling it quits now.