It's all about the QB's in the NFL now

[Ccat]

this.

Are you saying what I suggested is just a nickel defense? If so, you are wrong

[KARASMATIC444]

i know i have heard this before, but what person would you want where. explain it to me in detail and how it would be used any diff than the 4 3 with one lb playing the line. would you put

pep

lewis

kemo

tyler/johson

johnson/brayton/brown

I know there are alot of smart ass people on this bord myself included so i will say i am not trying to be smart here. I really just cant figure how you see that. Are you trying to do it to stop the run or as a way of hiding your blitz?

nm found this on the net.

http://www.ehow.com/videos-on_339_run-5_2-football-defense.html

[Sandy Claws]

Not really, because the 4-2-5 is designed to be an every down defense, not just a pass situation.

I really think it would play to the advantage of both Harris and Davis, but I wasn't throwing this out there to be serious. Just fun to think about.

The 4-2-5 alignment is our nickel. The only difference is you are plugging in an additional Safety (converting Davis back) rather than a CB.

[KARASMATIC444]

4-2-5

4= Normal D-Line

2= Jon Beason and other LB (Conner or Diggs maybe)

5- corners- Gamble and Marshall

safeties- deep= Godfrey (or Martin)

safety/OLB mix- Davis and Harris

I really haven't thought about that much and I'm not serious about it either. I just thought since we were throwing out all these defenses I would throw out the defense that a few colleges use including mine.

4 dl

2 lb

5 db

is a nickle defense.

is you take one of them out and put in thomas davis then it is a 4-3 defense.

all that you have changed is putting 3 safeties in instead of 2 and since we have discussed martin or godfrey being a nickle cb then you really haven changed anything. unless i am seeing something wrong here but i dont think i am.

[Ccat]

The 4-2-5 alignment is our nickel. The only difference is you are plugging in an additional Safety (converting Davis back) rather than a CB.

Your making the assumption that the defense is all about the alignment. Personnel is different as you already mentioned. In a nickel, you are putting 5 DB's in. In the 4-2-5, 2 of the "safeties" are really more like outside linebackers so it could also be called a 4-4-3 and still be appropriate.

Also, like mentioned before, the 4-2-5 has different assignments and plays than a nickel defense. The nickel defense is meant for passing situations. The 4-2-5 is an every down defense.

[Ccat]

4 dl

2 lb

5 db

is a nickle defense.

is you take one of them out and put in thomas davis then it is a 4-3 defense.

all that you have changed is putting 3 safeties in instead of 2 and since we have discussed martin or godfrey being a nickle cb then you really haven changed anything. unless i am seeing something wrong here but i dont think i am.

Well you are seeing something wrong. Like I have now mentioned twice before and now for a third time, it's not all about the personnel. Just because it supposedly has 5 defensive backs, that's not what it really is. It has three safeties, but really two of them are more like OLBs. So you have four lineman, 2 inside linebackers, 2 outside linebacker/safety hybrids (someone that can hit like a linebacker, but can cover better than a normal linebacker), 2 corners, and a deep safety.

[pstall]

Wouldn't rushing LESS guys almost intice a team to run instead of pass?

Most successful passing teams, to me at least, relish seeing a blitz.

Whereas just rushing 3 or even two guys leaves more defenders for the pass. Since that would be the case, it would seem there would be more delayed draws ran.

[KARASMATIC444]

Well you are seeing something wrong. Like I have now mentioned twice before and now for a third time, it's not all about the personnel. Just because it supposedly has 5 defensive backs, that's not what it really is. It has three safeties, but really two of them are more like OLBs. So you have four lineman, 2 inside linebackers, 2 outside linebacker/safety hybrids (someone that can hit like a linebacker, but can cover better than a normal linebacker), 2 corners, and a deep safety.

5 db's= nickel. nickel meaning 5 i know it is hard for you to grasp the concept but what if nickel really did mean 5?

this is what i know about nickel defense.

there are 2 types run.

4-2-5

and

3-3-5

notice they both have a 5 at the end.

now you can change what you want to around within the numbers that is true but as long as it is 5 db's it is a nickel.

[Ccat]

5 db's= nickel. nickel meaning 5 i know it is hard for you to grasp the concept but what if nickel really did mean 5?

this is what i know about nickel defense.

there are 2 types run.

4-2-5

and

3-3-5

notice they both have a 5 at the end.

now you can change what you want to around within the numbers that is true but as long as it is 5 db's it is a nickel.

The defense is called a 4-2-5 though. If you want to disagree with me on that then go argue with Frank Beamer.

When you say it's a nickel defense, it sounds like you are making the assumption that it is the same defense that most people mean by "nickel defense" which it is not.

So are you willing to say that it is not the same defense that is normally meant when people say "nickel defense?"

[KARASMATIC444]

The defense is called a 4-2-5 though. If you want to disagree with me on that then go argue with Frank Beamer.

When you say it's a nickel defense, it sounds like you are making the assumption that it is the same defense that most people mean by "nickel defense" which it is not.

So are you willing to say that it is not the same defense that is normally meant when people say "nickel defense?"

stay in school.

[Ccat]

stay in school.

Haha, maybe you need to go back to school. What are you failing to understand? Are you trying to say that Virginia Tech runs what is commonly termed as the "nickel defense" every down?

[KARASMATIC444]

Haha, maybe you need to go back to school. What are you failing to understand? Are you trying to say that Virginia Tech runs what is commonly termed as the "nickel defense" every down?

if they have 5 db's on the field the whole game than yes that is what they are doing. because i know from my studies that a nickel is 5. a nickel is the personnel it means 5 dbs. so if they have 5 db's it is a nickle. now you can run a 4-2-5 nickel or a 3-3-5 nickel. hell u could even run a 6-0-5 or a 5-1-5. or only show up with 5 db's and go 0-0-5 and it would still be a nickel.( i know that is not going to happen but i am making a point.

so lets review.

a nickel =5

5= a nickel

anything with 5 db's is a nickel no matter where you line them up.

there is alot of differnt things you can d with that personnel package and i dont argue with the idea of using them as a hybrid of lb/saftey that is not what im saying im just telling you it is still a nickel defense.

[Ccat]

if they have 5 db's on the field the whole game than yes that is what they are doing. because i know from my studies that a nickel is 5. a nickel is the personnel it means 5 dbs. so if they have 5 db's it is a nickle. now you can run a 4-2-5 nickel or a 3-3-5 nickel. hell u could even run a 6-0-5 or a 5-1-5. or only show up with 5 db's and go 0-0-5 and it would still be a nickel.( i know that is not going to happen but i am making a point.

so lets review.

a nickel =5

5= a nickel

anything with 5 db's is a nickel no matter where you line them up.

there is alot of differnt things you can d with that personnel package and i dont argue with the idea of using them as a hybrid of lb/saftey that is not what im saying im just telling you it is still a nickel defense.

Holy crap dude. You just don't get it. All I asked you to do was to admit that it is not the same as what most people commonly refer to as a "nickel defense" that is put in for passing situations.

In fact, teams that use this defense actually call it the "4-2-5 defense" or some call it the "4-4 defense" but usually don't refer to it as "nickel defense." In fact, our team has a completely different package that we call "nickel" that is completely different from our normal 4-2-5 package. Can you agree to this?

[KARASMATIC444]

Holy crap dude. You just don't get it. All I asked you to do was to admit that it is not the same as what most people commonly refer to as a "nickel defense" that is put in for passing situations.

In fact, teams that use this defense actually call it the "4-2-5 defense" or some call it the "4-4 defense" but usually don't refer to it as "nickel defense." In fact, our team has a completely different package that we call "nickel" that is completely different from our normal 4-2-5 package. Can you agree to this?

no i cant agree. and i have to stop replying now because my thread count is getting higher and i prefer to look like a noob on this board. I have my image to consider. enjoy your holiday.