Bears coaching casualties

[dimbee]

Come on stormcloud, Williams didn't look too shabby at LT at the end of the year...

[Epistaxis]

Buddy....I just have to remind myself that this is all deck furniture/Titanic stuff until house cleaning happens next year. Dead men walking.

But it doesn't do my heart tissue and stomach lining any favors watching Cutler run for his life or the inevitable blindsides that will make me cringe.

I can't help it. I'm a Cubs fan. The angry kind, not the happy drunk kind. Lots of pent up frustration. I watch the Blackhawks a lot now. It helps. They are really good. *deep breathe*.... K. I'm good now.

[thefuzz]

Didn't Cutler go to Vanderbilt? I am not so sure brainpower should be an issue.

Obviously you have not watched Cutler much, and his on field decision making.

[dimbee]

There was one seemingly innocuous moment during his meeting with Jay Cutler Saturday in Nashville that new Bears offensive coordinator Mike Martz won’t soon forget.

Diagramming a play on a chalkboard in a small classroom at Vanderbilt University, Martz marveled at the 26-year-old quarterback’s knowledge of the game and attention to detail.

“I put up a play that was designed specifically for the Tampa cover-two [defense] and I told him, ‘This is how we put it in and hit a touchdown on it,’” Martz said during a teleconference Monday, a few hours after he was hired by the Bears to succeed Ron Turner.

“[Cutler] asked a question about a wide receiver split that just kind of stopped me dead in my tracks and just showed that he is so far ahead and on top of that type of thing. Veteran quarterbacks generally don’t even ask that. I got real excited about that.”

Thank goodness we have thefuzz here to unceasingly bash Cutler

[Epistaxis]

Yeah pretty much anybody that thinks Cutler is dumb is actually looking in a mirror.

He isn't dumb.

Reckless, cocky, morose.....yes.

Dumb? No.

[thefuzz]

Thank goodness we have thefuzz here to unceasingly bash Cutler

Never questioned his "smarts" (other than when he compared himself to Elway), just his on field decision making.

Thank goodness we have Bears fans here who love his arm, and his inability to make the playoffs.

[Darth Hater]

Never questioned his "smarts" (other than when he compared himself to Elway), just his on field decision making.

Thank goodness we have Bears fans here who love his arm, and his inability to make the playoffs.

There was never a comparison to Elway, he stated that he felt he had a stronger arm and guess what...he just might. How can you put sole blame on Cutler for not making the postseason in his first 3 1/2 seasons on some pretty bad teams? I know you hate the guy so it'll make it that much sweeter when he proves you wrong.

[Johnny Rockets]

There was never a comparison to Elway, he stated that he felt he had a stronger arm .

ummmmmmmm....wouldn't that actually be an example of Cutler comparing himself to Elway?

[thefuzz]

There was never a comparison to Elway, he stated that he felt he had a stronger arm and guess what...he just might. How can you put sole blame on Cutler for not making the postseason in his first 3 1/2 seasons on some pretty bad teams? I know you hate the guy so it'll make it that much sweeter when he proves you wrong.

Ummm, yes he did compare himself to Elway. When asked who he thought had the better arm, he or Elway, he said that he did....thats a comparison.

How can I put blame on him? Easy.

He took over a team that was 1st in the AFC West, and had a winning record, and promptly started losing.

He had a 3 game lead in the AFC West two years ago, and only needed to win one game to make the dance, and did not do that. Instead, he threw back breaking int's in the last two games of the season....IIRC.

Face it, the kid is a loser. He has not had a winning season since HIGH SCHOOL. I don't hate the guy, I am just being honest, something that Bears fans are not able to do, since they traded their near future for this kid.

Do I hope that he can turn his career around....yes. Has he given me any indications that he will....NO.

Sorry man, I am just being honest with you guys.

And just so you think that I am not being a homer, we are in almost as bad a situation with Jake as you guys are with Jay. You guys gave up wayyy too much for an overrated QB, and we signed Jake to a huge extension to fix his broken ego, and now don't have a QB at all.

IMO, both franchises made big mistakes with their QB's.

[Boltergeist]

Marinelli gets the DC gig after all

[Darth Hater]

Marinelli gets the DC gig after all

0-16?........Yes we can!

At least Lovie will be gone after this season.

[Darth Hater]

Ummm, yes he did compare himself to Elway. When asked who he thought had the better arm, he or Elway, he said that he did....thats a comparison.

How can I put blame on him? Easy.

He took over a team that was 1st in the AFC West, and had a winning record, and promptly started losing.

He had a 3 game lead in the AFC West two years ago, and only needed to win one game to make the dance, and did not do that. Instead, he threw back breaking int's in the last two games of the season....IIRC.

Face it, the kid is a loser. He has not had a winning season since HIGH SCHOOL. I don't hate the guy, I am just being honest, something that Bears fans are not able to do, since they traded their near future for this kid.

Do I hope that he can turn his career around....yes. Has he given me any indications that he will....NO.

Sorry man, I am just being honest with you guys.

And just so you think that I am not being a homer, we are in almost as bad a situation with Jake as you guys are with Jay. You guys gave up wayyy too much for an overrated QB, and we signed Jake to a huge extension to fix his broken ego, and now don't have a QB at all.

IMO, both franchises made big mistakes with their QB's.

He did not take over a team that was very good at all, they were good in 05 but the decline started before he even took a snap in 06, Plummer was the QB for the first 11 games of that 2006 season. That Broncos team had a defense ranked around 28th in the league(might've had something to do with the losses that season). Jay took over in the final 5 games and went 2-3 (two of the losses by a FG). The next season he was the starting QB, again and Broncos defense ranked in the bottom of the league just as it did in 06. In 08 he was forced to throw 616 times because the run game sucked in Denver and their lack of any sort of defense forced him to play from behind almost every game, so yeah, he's bound to throw some INTs(sorry can't blame jay for trying to win) It is not all Cutler's fault that he had losing seasons. He played on some pretty mediocre/bad teams(ex. Chicago in 09). He came into a new system this season on an offense that has an average ranking of 25th over the last 5 seasons with aretarded coordinater, no O-line whatsoever and a WR corps with around 30 catches NFL experience and somehow it's all Jays fault with you?

In the infamous Buffalo game you mention, the last interception was because Reggie Corner knocked the ball out of Brandon Stokley's hands in the end zone with less than a minute left.

Stokley after the game, "I had both hands on the ball," Stokley said. "I've got to catch it. That's what they pay me to do." The Broncos should've won that game and a spot in the playoffs, it was not all Cutler's fault.

DENVER -- The battered and bumbling Denver Broncos couldn't render the San Diego Chargers irrelevant when they had the chance, and now they'll have to beat them to get to the playoffs.

The Broncos blew an early 13-0 lead and lost to the Buffalo Bills 30-23 Sunday in the second-coldest game in Denver's history, setting up an all-or-nothing game against the Chargers next week for the division title and a playoff berth.

The Broncos (8-7) led the Chargers (7-8) by three games with three to go, but now face the possibility of having led the AFC's woeful West by themselves from opening weekend through Christmas with nothing to show for it.

"Unfortunately we're not going to be able to go up there and take it easy," receiver Brandon Marshall said. "We're going to have to go up there in their back yard and prove to them that we're better than them. They're a good team, they're playing better now, and they've got all the momentum."

None of which matters, suggested Broncos quarterback Jay Cutler.

"If you would have told us at the beginning of the year that it was a one-game series with us down in San Diego to go to the playoffs, we probably would have taken it," Cutler said. "We've got to keep our heads up."

The Chargers beat Tampa Bay earlier in the day, and Denver will be facing a fired-up team in San Diego on Sunday night that everybody had given up for dead.

"Everybody was doubting them, talking bad about them this year," Denver linebacker D.J. Williams said. "Now they have a chance to throw everybody's words back in their face with a victory."

And keep the Broncos home for the postseason for the third straight year.

P.J. Pope became the sixth tailback to start in the Broncos' battered backfield -- and he went to the sideline in the first quarter with a tight left hamstring. Selvin Young came in and carried the load until leaving with a pinched nerve in his neck late in the third quarter, leaving Tatum Bell as the only healthy ball carrier.

Cutler threw for 359 yards and broke Jake Plummer's franchise record with 4,210 yards for the season, but he threw an interception to Kawika Mitchell at the goal line with six minutes left and then, with less than a minute left, cornerback Reggie Corner knocked the ball out of Brandon Stokley's hands in the end zone.

"I had both hands on the ball," Stokley said. "I've got to catch it. That's what they pay me to do."

The Broncos built a 13-0 lead only to watch Trent Edwards score on a 2-yard keeper and Rian Lindell kick field goals of 37, 49 and 28 yards as Buffalo (7-8) surged ahead 16-13 in the third quarter.

The Broncos, who outgained the Bills 532 yards to 275, retook the lead on Cutler's 6-yard keeper. The celebratory mood among the frozen fans, who endured temperatures that dipped into the single digits, ended quickly when Fred Jackson's 65-yard catch set up Steve Johnson's 3-yard touchdown grab that put Buffalo back on top, 23-20.

Nobody was more affected by the bitter cold than Broncos kicker Matt Prater, who came up short on a crucial field goal try just before halftime that swung the momentum and was forced to kick a series of squibs on kickoffs that continually gave Buffalo great field position.

After Prater's 43-yarder tied it with 11 minutes left, the Broncos again were burned by a squibbed kickoff and Jackson's 8-yard touchdown run made it 30-23 with 8:54 left.

"I've got to have more touchbacks and learn to drive the ball more when it's cold out," Prater said.

The Broncos dominated the first half, outgaining Buffalo 268 yards to 95 -- including an edge of 213 to minus-2 in the first quarter -- but they led just 13-10 at halftime after settling for two chip-shot field goals by Prater and a big strategic blunder by coach Mike Shanahan.

Rather than sending in the punt team on fourth down at the Buffalo 36, Shanahan sent in Prater, who had converted all five of his tries from 50-plus but was well short on a 54-yarder.

"Obviously, it didn't turn out to be the right decision," said Shanahan, "and we were also stopping them at that point."

Not from that point on, though, as the Bills scored on their next five possessions.

"We had them on their heels and we gave them a little life," cornerback Champ Bailey said after his first game in two months. "They got some points before the half and that's where it just went bad on us." The Bills capitalized on Prater's miss by going 56 yards for Marshawn Lynch's 2-yard TD run with 11 seconds left in the half.

"It pumped us," Buffalo safety George Wilson said. "It kept us right where we wanted to be, one score away. We wanted to finish that half strong after getting off to a slow start. The missed field goal led to us getting a touchdown off a short field and it allowed us to regroup at the half and come out and finish the game strong."

"We might not be a playoff team," Jackson said, "but we played like one today."

The Broncos might not be one either.

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[scpanther22]

I could see Torry Holt going to the bears.

[Dingo_ate_Babies]

Mike Martz = Hit or miss