POST SEASON - Jake Delhomme in his prime vs. Peyton Manning

[Swarly]

Before I start, this is regarding the post-season and post-season only. Ignoring all regular season failings, etc.

In all super bowls each have been in, these are the stats:

Peyton Manning:

1st SB - 25/38 247YDS 1TD/1 INT, 1 Fumble lost

2nd SB - 31/45 333YDS 1TD/1 INT(pick 6)

Jake Delhomme:

16/33 - 323YDS - 3TD/0 INT

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Jake has a career 5-3 post season record, while Peyton Manning is 9-9 after being in the league 4 years longer, and being surrounded by a team 1000x better. His only SB win was against the bears and f**kin REX GROSSMAN, who basically handed the Colts the game with 2 interceptions(1 a pick 6) and a fumble lost.

NOW- the question is would you take Jake in his prime surrounded by a Colts team(IE a HOF receiver, Reggie Wayne, Dallas Clark, best pass blocking o-line in the league, a stellar defense and the arguably the best kicker of all time in Vinitari).. or Peyton Manning even though he's one of the biggest postseason chokers of all time(up there with McNabb.)

Peytons regular season stats are nothing short of outstanding, but you can't deny the fact he just isn't good in the playoffs, while Jake Delhomme back in the day was one of the better QB's to have.

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Yes, I am actually this bored now that the season is over. and I KNOW I'm going to get flamed for even mentioning Jake Delhomme in the same sentence as Peyton Manning. But fact is, I can name several quarterbacks that are starting right now that I'd take over Peyton Manning in the post-season.

[Sam Mills Fan]

If we had Peyton Manning playing here in '03 and '05, and heck, probably in '08 playing with Steve Smith, we would have multiple Super Bowl titles.

[TheSaint]

Your last paragraph says it all..lol

[jpniner]

Manning doens't have the weapons in Indy he'd have here or lots of places.

[Swarly]

If we had Peyton Manning playing here in '03 and '05, and heck, probably in '08 playing with Steve Smith, we would have multiple Super Bowl titles.

Peyton Manning had Marvin Harrison. That comparison is moot Delhomme threw for 330 yards and 3 td's with 0 ints, I don't know what Peyton Manning could have done differently.

Your last paragraph says it all..lol

Dude! Peyton has been surrounded by talent his entire career and has only managed one super bowl title(and against arguably the worst super bowl quarterback ever). I'd take Warner or Brees over him in a heartbeat.

[csx]

Manning doens't have the weapons in Indy he'd have here or lots of places.

jesus f'n christ

[Swarly]

jesus f'n christ

this, seriously. I'm tired of people saying he doesn't have one of the most stacked teams for a quarterback EVER. He has a top 3 tight end in the league, a top 5 receiver, THE BEST pass blocking offensive line, Garcon/Collie are both excellent receivers. For most of his career he's had Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne. That's a HOF receiver and an elite receiver, and then Dallas freakin Clark.

How can anyone say he hasn't had weapons. I'm sick of all the nuthugging of Peyton Manning because of his regular season success. He's the best regular season quarterback of all time, but unfortunately if he doesn't change his post-season, he'll go down as one of the greatest post-season chokers of all time.

[jpniner]

how good would Harrison, Wayne and Clark be with Jake Delhomme throwing to them?

[Acewalker]

^Exactly. Those receivers in Indy may be good, but I'm sure Pierre Garcon and Austin Collie would still be unheard of had they been playing for another team. And it's pretty bad when you have to compare Jake in his prime to just regular Peyton stats. I also wouldn't say his team surrounding him has been better than what Jake had, either. We had some pretty great performers that year. Oh well

[Wither]

how good would Harrison, Wayne and Clark be with Jake Delhomme throwing to them?

Good point, but you have to work with what you got. He did that this past year but look what came out of it? A loss in the Super Bowl. Albeit, that was the defenses fault probably, but hey, he's the one who threw the interception.

[Swarly]

how good would Harrison, Wayne and Clark be with Jake Delhomme throwing to them?

Harrison, Clark, and Wayne are all better than Moose, and Jake gave Moose an all-pro year in 2004. So I'd say they'd be just as good

^Exactly. Those receivers in Indy may be good, but I'm sure Pierre Garcon and Austin Collie would still be unheard of had they been playing for another team. And it's pretty bad when you have to compare Jake in his prime to just regular Peyton stats. I also wouldn't say his team surrounding him has been better than what Jake had, either. We had some pretty great performers that year. Oh well

You can't say that for sure though. Peyton isn't the one running perfect routes and teaching them to catch the ball. Garcon and Collie are solid receivers who have the fundamentals down perfect. They get open and Peyton gets them the ball, simple as that.

Good point, but you have to work with what you got. He did that this past year but look what came out of it? A loss in the Super Bowl. Albeit, that was the defenses fault probably, but hey, he's the one who threw the interception.

I'd say the defense was great, they stopped the Saints on the goal line through 4 downs which is no easy task stopping them in the red zone.

Guys, again I'll mention I'm not trying to turn this thread into a flame war I just wanted to have a serious discussion about this because I'm so bored

[Sam Mills Fan]

Peyton Manning had Marvin Harrison. That comparison is moot Delhomme threw for 330 yards and 3 td's with 0 ints, I don't know what Peyton Manning could have done differently.

Jake was shut down for two quarters in the Super Bowl. I doubt Peyton would have had the same thing happen to him.

That's not to knock Jake's Super Bowl performance, but let's be realists here. If we had paired Peyton Manning and 89 up throughout this decade, I can't even imagine the numbers they would have put up.

And I've always contended that Peyton Manning made Marvin Harrison. Marvin Harrison is the most overrated receiver of all-time. There's a reason that nobody even gave him a second look the moment the Colts cut him loose.

[Ricky Spanish]

I like how everyone is hoping on the peyton manning sucks in the post season bandwagon when it was his defense that fuged everything up this time around. also give credit to the siants' offense. they did what they had to do to win, and that was keep peyton manning off the field. He didn't get on the field for over 70 minutes and came out cold and threw a pick. i wasn't surprised. the saints controlled the hell out of that game. they won it. peyton didn't lose it. the colt's defense couldn't stop drew brees.

to answer your question, I would take peyton manning every day of every year ever over jake any day.

[Wither]

Jake was shut down for two quarters in the Super Bowl. I doubt Peyton would have had the same thing happen to him.

That's not to knock Jake's Super Bowl performance, but let's be realists here. If we had paired Peyton Manning and 89 up throughout this decade, I can't even imagine the numbers they would have put up.

And I've always contended that Peyton Manning made Marvin Harrison. Marvin Harrison is the most overrated receiver of all-time. There's a reason that nobody even gave him a second look the moment the Colts cut him loose.

Steve Smith is just good period. His numbers might be a little higher with Peyton (seriously - it's not like it's going to be 200%). With Steve Smith you don't need accuracy (rofl, as evidenced by his career).

The very reason why everyone doesn't like Jake is probably why everyone likes Smith: Smith has routinely had to make tough catches over his career and he just comes up with the ball somehow. Add on his ferocity, size and such and he's a unique receiver. I probably wouldn't like him nearly as much as I do if he hadn't been put in tough spots so much.